cotic escapade forks?
Indeed, nor would I adorn it with bike jewellery either. I can’t help but feel Cotic have missed a trick here. Why no 853? If they can do the Soul for £500?
The gas pipe is not what I want. And I wouldnt pay £329 for it for the reason above.
You can get a Kaffenback2 for £250.00Posted 3 years agokelvinSubscriber
Merak, the Escapade frame (without forks) is £249, so half the price of the Soul frame.
Doubling the price of the Escapade would put it out of the reach of many of us for the kind of bike it is.
Tubing wise… lots going on with the latest version of the Fe tubeset on this and the new Roadrat.Posted 3 years ago
Side by side with my old Roadrat from a few years ago, only the seattube looked to be similar size/shape wise.ahwilesSubscriber
Jamie – Member
What defines gas pipe?
Anything that isn’t Reynolds 853+? For example is the Croix De Fer using 725 gas pipe?
Keep up grandad. It’s all about 953 now – Even 853 is just crappy cheapskate gas pipe.
Anything less than 953 and the cool kids won’t talk to you.Posted 3 years ago
853 would have been nice is all. We are all happy to pay the money for the Soul. It would have been the same with the Escapade.
Its not a budget bike for most people likely to buy it. The frame and fork are being built up with say King headset, and maybe 105 or Rival or equivalent. Maybe some nice wheels just like the Soul. I’m not being unrealistic there, check the forums to see what folk are building.
I’d want my frame a bit lighter is all. If there were an 853 version it’d be just as popular as the Soul I’d imagine.
See the Genesis day one frame for example.Posted 3 years agoSTATOMember
Merak, there are not many steel disc frames under 2kg bare frame weight, irrespective of price. Its a strength issue not a weight thing.
“So, the Soul uses oversize sections in similar wall thickness to any other steel XC frame. What does that get you? Huge strength and longevity for a similar weight to other frames out there. But lets put that into context for a moment. To get the same strength, stiffness and fatigue resistance as the Soul out of a frame made from regular cromoly, it would be nearly 0.5lb heavier than the Soul due to thicker tube walls.”
Blurb from cotic site, so basically you dont need the same strength on a road/cx as the Soul, so no net weight difference really.Posted 3 years ago
853 would have been nice is all
Without you knowing the actual specs of the tubeset used is this not a little bit of a pointless statement?
You want 853 because….? because it’s 853 and this frame isn’t?
Or because you know it would be X% better(?!), Xg lighter, and Y% nicer to ride?
I think far too many people get hung up on having a particular tubeset/sticker (or even partial tubeset in a lot of cases) without actually knowing much about the differences and whether or not it will make any noticeable difference.Posted 3 years agothisisnotaspoonMember
I wouldn’t go on kitchen scales weight either.
2060g is 2x the weight of a comparably priced carbon chinese frame. Why are you quibling over whether the scales were accurate to +/-5g? Do you need an uptodate calibration certificate to tell you that if you’re worried about weight, it’s definately not the kind of bike for you.Posted 3 years ago
Well ‘in the region of 2kg’ is about as good as you’re ever gonna get without calibration certificates for every set of scales used when a person says ‘mine weighed X’ 🙂
as TINAS says, it’s not light compared to Carbon (or even Alu), but then it’s not really a comparable product and not being sold on its weight.Posted 3 years ago
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