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  • unfitgeezer
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    Good friend of mine likes buying art, I was at his the other day and his Mrs had a purchased a nice piece simple but nice they paid about £400 for it, now I’m not an artist by any means but I made the same/slightly different piece in about an hour yesterday, (I asked my friend if he minded not at all was his reply).

    Whats stopping me making something similar/making them with my own twist and selling on a trendy stall on Brick Lane market for £400 quid ?

    Is this a massive no no or isn’t art just really copying other peoples ideas ?

    Is art copyrighted ?

    I’m purposefully not saying what type of art it is but it aint painting on canvas !

    This is a hypothetical question…

    Jamie
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    You are China, and I claim my 5 Yuan.

    samuri
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    We only have your word for it that yours looked like the original

    yunki
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    depends dunnit..

    Banksy was selling genuine Banksy originals worth thousands and thousands of dollars each from a market stall in downtown New York last month..

    $40 a pop but no-one was interested because they were being flogged off a market stall..

    Banksy knock offs are everywhere and all look the same

    Art is worth whatever the buyer wants to pay for it..
    If you’re trying to pass it off as original then you’ll be had up for forgery no doubt

    unfitgeezer
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    If you’re trying to pass it off as original then you’ll be had up for forgery no doubt

    would be different…

    I stress this is a hypothetical question

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    Doing the same kind of thing but doing it your way is one thing, passing something off is another.

    The ‘art’ also isn’t necessarily in the execution. The fact that something is easy to make a copy of isn’t really of any consequence.

    Premier Icon aracer
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    Banksy knock offs are everywhere and all look the same

    Do they look the same as Banksy originals?

    yunki
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    Have a go.. what’s the worst that can happen?

    Can I have one of your pieces though..? If you get rumbled and your case gets a bit of media attention your work might be worth a couple of hundred quid one day.. 😀

    Jamie
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    Have a go.. what’s the worst that can happen?

    Innit? I have just banged out some copies of American Gothic. Piece of piss this art thing.

    Kerching!

    unfitgeezer
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    Doing the same kind of thing but doing it your way is one thing, passing something off is another.

    Would be similar but NOT the same

    I leave it to the board back in 4 hrs !

    yunki
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    Do they look the same as Banksy originals?

    I couldn’t possibly say.. it’s all a bit lowbrow for me dahling..

    let them eat cake I say

    yunki
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    It might be worth checking out Tom Hanksy

    Premier Icon Drac
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    Banksy was selling genuine Banksy originals worth thousands and thousands of dollars each from a market stall in downtown New York last month..

    $40 a pop but no-one was interested because they were being flogged off a market stall..

    So they were worth $40.

    yunki
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    alright clever clogs, get thee to stu170’s pointless pedantry thread until you can behave 😆

    before he put them up for sale they were worth thousands and immediately after the sale, they were again worth thousands

    but yes.. technically I’m sure that you are correct

    cynic-al
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    Banksy’s soooooooooo clever 🙄

    Premier Icon eddiebaby
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    Banksy ain’t exactly free of the ripoff merchant title…

    samuri
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    So they were worth $40.

    Apparently not. 😉

    Premier Icon Drac
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    Damn I go for a snooze before work and you steal my comeback Samuri.

    unfitgeezer
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    well if I make any more then I will post a picture up…

    yunki
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    You don’t like banksy al?

    unfitgeezer
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    CaptJon – Member
    is art copyrighted?
    Yes. See: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-applies/c-artisticworks.htm

    If it was to be done it would the using the idea but not the same as the original at all so I guess id be okay…

    Premier Icon kayak23
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    A lot of art/craft is 90% idea, and 10% execution.
    Most people could do lots of things people do or make but they don’t have the original idea.
    I have no respect for folks who just copy. I’ve worked on craft stalls where people come up openly exclaiming ‘I could make that easy’. Yeah? Well you didn’t did you so go forth etc….
    Be original if possible. Originality is good.

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    If it was to be done it would the using the idea but not the same as the original at all so I guess id be okay…

    Theres any number of answers to that really – if you went to a life drawing class every one in the room would be painting the same thing, in their own way, but they’re not copying each others work. But if the artwork is about doing something in a particular way and you do something in more or less the same way then that is more or less copying it.

    Whats stopping me making something similar/making them with my own twist and selling on a trendy stall on Brick Lane market for £400 quid ?

    Nothing, or possibly everything. See a thing – make a thing like it – possibly sell it (possibly not)…. then what. People who make and sell things for a living need to have a careers worth of ideas that they can make and sell (quite a long career as quite often artists and crafts people don’t retire) and plenty to spare as not everything you think of gets made and not everything you make gets sold, and they need to find the people who’ll buy them. Have you seen a careers worth of things you can make something similar to? At a few hundred quid a pop you’d need to make an awful lot of them.

    unfitgeezer
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    maccruiskeen

    Good words alas as said before totally hypothetical

    CaptJon
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    unfitgeezer – Member
    If it was to be done it would the using the idea but not the same as the original at all so I guess id be okay…

    The idea is the intellectual property that is protected so it wouldn’t be OK.

    unfitgeezer
    Member

    only if they copyrighted it ? Which I could do as well ?

    samuri
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    I have no respect for folks who just copy.

    Copy art or copy what they see?

    See this picture?

    da Vinci looked at something, and then reproduced it onto a canvas. Did he copy? What’s the difference between copying a picture and copying a vista?

    I understand the idea that someone can introduce their own artistic vent into a piece of art which makes it unique but is that any more noble than someone who has the talent to produce something like this?
    (It’s a pencil drawing)

    I’m sure da Vinci was aiming for hyper-realism but his art is valued into multi-millions. The second image is free for all to download from DeviantArt.

    What’s the difference?

    samuri
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    Do you think the mona Lisa is art?

    Because it was just some bloke copying what he was looking at.

    unfitgeezer
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    samuri – Member
    Do you think the mona Lisa is art?

    Because it was just some bloke copying what he was looking at.

    is that question aimed at the masses ?

    if your asking me it is what it is…I guess its art I don’t personally like it

    nick1962
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    Anyone can make a mess like this but selling it for $778,900 is a bit trickier.

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    Samuri – that’s a pencil drawing??!

    Bloody hell that’s impressive.

    yunki
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    Anyone can make a mess like this but selling it for $778,900 is a bit trickier.

    this has definitely become an integral part of the art of being an artist..

    I had the chance to contribute some work to a good group exhibition a few years back, with some high profile artists involved..

    At the opening night a couple of collectors wanted to talk to me about one of my pieces, they seemed very interested indeed until they realised that I probably wasn’t likely to tell them anything particularly interesting about myself or the piece, you could almost watch their noses wrinkle up in conceit..

    I sold naff all

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    only if they copyrighted it

    you don’t have to ‘copyright’ something in the same way as you might patent or trademark something. A copyright – the right to make copies is something the author of a work can assign to someone. So someones art is protected as their work by default – they can then permit someone to make copies if they wish.

    In the case of selling an artwork even if someone buys the physical artwork from and artist the right to make copies doesn’t transfer to the buyer unless thats specified as part of the sale. The artist could also sanction reproductions to be made of a piece of their work even if they’d already sold it to a third party.

    So in your hypothetical scenario – you asked your friend if you could make a copy of a piece of art he’d bought he said ok – Well strictly speaking its not actually for him to say whether its ok or not.

    MrSmith
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    da Vinci looked at something, and then reproduced it onto a canvas. Did he copy? What’s the difference between copying a picture and copying a vista?

    Lol.

    unfitgeezer
    Member

    So in your hypothetical scenario – you asked your friend if you could make a copy of a piece of art he’d bought he said ok – Well strictly speaking its not actually for him to say whether its ok or not.

    I asked him as in do you mind if I have a go at making one of them cos it would be fun, I didn’t ask him in the way oh thats yours can I copy it…

    As I have said mine is similar to his but with a different twist etc but I get the general gist

    Kunstler
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    I think you do Da Vinci a disservice Samuri. He wasn’t copying, he was creating something. It’s differences from the source material are key to what it is.

    I had friends at art school who made some cash by painting copies of klimts and van goghs which were sold in a gallery that specialised in that kind of stuff. It’s a good technical learning exercise for painters to go through but it doesn’t add much to the canon of art.

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    I’m sure da Vinci was aiming for hyper-realism but his art is valued into multi-millions.

    Hyperrealism is a fairly recent goal in art – I’d expect da Vinci was aiming to do more/other than faithfully transcribe the scene in front of his easel.

    But the mona lisa is an interesting example of merit and value. Its the first celebrity artwork.

    It was a fairly unknown, fairly irrelevant artwork for most of its history. Then one day it got stolen. This was at the advent of newspapers starting to add pictures (all be it illustrations rather than photos) rather then being text only. So in france The Mona Lisa was one of the first paintings you would know without having actually having seen it for real because the theft was publicised and later its recovery was too. And as a painting its remarkable for that reason – its the most famous painting in the world but its famous now for being famous, its by no means the best painting in the world, not even a contender for the best. Its not even a good example of da Vinci’s work – and even then paintings were the least remarkable thing he did.

    In the same sense the most famous people in the world are necessarily the most worthy people.

    Lots of things contribute to the value of an artwork, even something as simple as whether its made by a ‘somebody’ or a ‘nobody’, but the artists whole body of work effects the value of single pieces – something that is part of a great body of work has more value than a one hit wonder, the people who are buying work (or have bought it) – if Charles Saachi buys work by an artist or Peggy Guggenheim used to own work then that has a bearing on what people will pay for it too.

    So intellectual property issues aside – if you made a same or similar artwork to the one your pal bought could you sell it for the same price as he bought his? Probably not.

    MrSmith
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    it doesn’t add much to the canon of art.

    Neither does photorealistic copies from photographs, it’s just an exercise in draughtsmanship which compared to drawing from life is relatively easy.
    (IMHO)

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