Due to the fascination with adding frothy cow juice to poor coffee the UK model of a Italian machine has the temperatures set higher than the same machines in Italy.

I wonder what the Italians do. Plenty of people drink cappuccino there but only before 10-ish. Definitely a breakfast drink.

Now my flat white let’s stir up the hornets nest

By mentioning flat white without stating firmly where you believe it originated? If you were a ‘proper’ flat white drinker that would get you kicked out of the club.

I just wish we could do it without the passive-aggression

Someone on here once summed it up – we have so little real choice over our lives, we get fiercly defensive of the inconsequential choices we do get to make – iPhone or Android, Campag or Shimano, Road or MTB, etc etc.

So, 18g, 30lb and 25sec and to **** with yall!

btw had a proper lol in the local supermarket. Theyˋve just started selling Starbucks espresso blends. Picked a bag up, roasted in August.