Stick to your delusions then – the bit that says “Brittan died in January 2015, aged 75, not knowing that police had four months previously concluded he had no case to answer. His widow, Diana, was only informed in October 2015” and
The Metropolitan police commissioner, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, is to meet Lord Brittan’s widow later this month to apologise for his force’s handling of a false rape allegation
obviously passes you by. Continue spreading your delusions – I can’t be bothered to further engage with you. I’m obviously only feeding your sad addictionPosted 3 years agobelugabobMember
This kind of ties in with the recent trend to start new articles with something like…
“The Prime Minister will announce, later today, that he’s increasing VAT to 25%…”
You’re reporting it, so he’s already announced it, you Muppets!
It seems like the authorities/media are trying to prejudice cases/opinions before they’ve even got started.
Another step in the decline of society, driven by the mutual obsession of the media and politiciansPosted 3 years ago
“Jimmy Saville seems never to have been called out in his lifetime, not because he was surrounded by paedos but that his accusers were not believed because of his fame”
Not so. There was at least one big in vestigation and the police spent a fortune checking it out.
A woman said as a girl she’d given him a BJ in his car at a school in front of a largeish number of witnesses. The police went to massive lengths to track most of the witnesses down but none had any memory of it. (IIRC)
Anna Racoon’s blog is worth a read for the inside story from the school.Posted 3 years ago
I just ate some fruitcake
SHit he is into cannibalism now
I doubt it, he’s been dead for a while
I have no idea why I doubt your ability to process complicated information and reach sound conclusions when you are so good with the simple stuff…..go on play the edinburgh card just for mePosted 3 years ago
I see lots of pictures of the Queen from you, so surely she’s in it on too?
What has she been up to?
She is the head of an establishment paedophile ring which is vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite.
If she wasn’t she wouldn’t have allowed herself to be photographed with all those paedophiles.Posted 3 years ago
Though of course I don’t agree with Anna Racoon, it’s better that there is critical thinkers on both sides of the debate, however, siding with the powerful, who have extensive influence in the media, government and police (which is in many respects how Jimmy Savile and others got away with it in the 1st place) is a strange angle to take and some might say, a touch cowardly.
As for what role the Queen has in all of this, aside from the allegations of involvement of a member of the Royal Family, there doesn’t seem to be many (if any) other people who’d be in a position to have authority over both Jersey and the UK Home Office (which is responsible for Borders and Customs).Posted 3 years agoCountZeroMember
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Is that the few facts she picks of the many available, or the vast majority she chooses to ignore?
That could very easily apply to someone else…Posted 3 years ago
Makes you think…
Oh, and while the subject of accusations against various people in high profile places regarding so-called historical abuse, the police are currently actively persuing cases against 256 people who are, in fact, dead!
Under English/UK law, there is no legal avenue for taking a case against a dead person before a court of law, as I understand it, so just why are these muppets spending huge amounts of money and squandering valuable resources chasing people who can never, ever be prosecuted?
so just why are these muppets spending huge amounts of money and squandering valuable resources chasing people who can never, ever be prosecuted?
Because the victims have the right for it to be legally established that the allegations they made were true, if indeed they were.
In too many cases the claims made by victims of child abuse were falsely dismissed as unreliable. Establishing that they told the truth, whilst obviously denying them full justice, could perhaps help to bring some sort of closure for them.
Furthermore it can highlight institutional failures and reduce to possibility of institutional failures in the future.
Establishing whether child abuse occurred is not just about punishing the perpetrators.Posted 3 years ago
Fair point ernie
Also perhaps a means of piecing together the wider network, to prevent continuing abuse to children right now and in the future?
Whatever the reason, there is no doubt that when it comes to the amount of money and resources (and lives) squandered, it’ll pale in comparison to the
defence industryarms trade and wars started under false pretences.
At least Cliff is a good Christian:
Posted 3 years ago
When the person who has been accused, is unable to defend themself, due to being dead, then the justice being s dished out is somewhat flawed.
The accused cannot answer charges and therefore we have a somewhat one sided investigation here. The accused always is assumed innocent and always has the right to a fair trail. This cannot happen with a corpse.Posted 3 years ago
You both have a point as we do need to expose cases where agencies turned a blind eye or were remiss as we need to learn the lessons to prevent it happening again
Catch 22, as the cases of Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith, Leon Brittan, Greville Janner and many others show…
On the one hand, the accused is no longer around to defend themselves… on the other, there is a significant body of evidence to show they were protected on multiple occasions, under several different governments, by several departments and agencies, whilst alive.
All very odd…Posted 3 years ago
The accused always is assumed innocent and always has the right to a fair trail. This cannot happen with a corpse.
Why not? Today Matthew Daley was found guilty of manslaughter over a ‘road rage’ killing, he did not give any evidence in court, does that mean that he didn’t receive a fair trial?
It is perfectly possible imo to have a fair trial even if the defendant can’t defend themselves.
EDIT : This a bit of a side issue which isn’t really relevant to the historic child abuse cases. If Lord Janner were still alive there would be, due to his dementia, be a “trial of the facts”, as he is now dead there will instead be an investigation into the allegations against him. This both fair and money well spent imo.Posted 3 years ago
In some circumstance their best defence may be to not give evidence
However they will still talk to and instruct a solicitor thereby defending themself. Clearly, clairvoyance aside, a corpse cannot do this
Your broad point about learning the lesson is a fair.
Out of interest what punishments were you thinking of dishing out to the corpse? Community service? Hard labour. I reckon solitary confinement 6 foot under in a wooden box is a good one.Posted 3 years ago
Out of interest what punishments were you thinking of dishing out to the corpse? Community service? Hard labour. I reckon solitary confinement 6 foot under in a wooden box is a good one.
I thought I had dealt with that point with my previous comment :
“Establishing whether child abuse occurred is not just about punishing the perpetrators.”
I don’t think I can expand on that really.Posted 3 years agoEdukatorMember
For Ernie, in true JHJ style.
I remembered that Blair had been prosecuted for sex in the toilets but all trace seemed to have vanished from the web. Some references still remain on blogs if you use duckduckgo. Anyhow: Blair
I can no longer find any reference to his victims being younger boys.Posted 3 years ago
I don’t know why you keep wanting to drag “a corpse” onto the thread.
The following question was asked :
“so just why are these muppets spending huge amounts of money and squandering valuable resources chasing people who can never, ever be prosecuted?”
To which I pointed out : Establishing whether child abuse occurred is not just about punishing the perpetrators.
No where have I suggested taking a corpse to court. I find your apparent obsession with cadavers a little bizarre.Posted 3 years ago
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