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  • Premier Icon mikewsmith
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    Back to the original question, already past the line once the current crop of blue rinse and tea party members move on it will have a hard time.

    As for sexism, homophobia and racism religion leads the way back to the dark ages.

    As for sticking to the rules as laid down by someone else have a quick re read of the history books around Henry VIII. Or if lazy get a DVD out.

    rudebwoy
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    yeah that VILF tickled me too !!

    grum
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    Albania, Turkey, Lebanon, Indonesia, Malaysia

    Turkey is officially secular, Lebanon is Christian. Albania, Malaysia? tolerant of homosexuality?

    Looks like I was wrong on Malaysia, not Albania though.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Albania

    Lebanon is majority Muslim, as is Turkey, even if they aren’t officially Muslim countries. US is technically secular but I’d still call it a Christian country.

    rudebwoy
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    Grum, i think he was being pedantic anyhow,there is much intolerance close to home 😉

    Albania, Turkey, Lebanon, Indonesia, Malaysia
    Turkey is officially secular, Lebanon is Christian. Albania, Malaysia? tolerant of homosexuality?

    Looks like I was wrong on Malaysia, not Albania though.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Albania

    Lebanon is majority Muslim, as is Turkey, even if they aren’t officially Muslim countries. US is technically secular but I’d still call it a Christian country.

    The US is officially secular – I believe it’s drafted into the constitution- though the power and influence the church(es) have is just plain scary!
    That is in total contrast to the UK, which is officially an Anglican country , yet no-one really gives a toss what the Church believes, and we’re all the better for it!
    Regarding Lebanon: It is a “Christian” country, though was once regarded as the playground of the Middle East, with the tolerance that label implies. It may well now be a largely muslim country thanks to the influx of refugees from less pleasant regimes, and all the shit that hospitality brings…

    rudebwoy
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    It may well now be a largely muslim christian country thanks to the influx of refugees from less pleasant regimes, and all the shit that hospitality brings…

    [s]

    USof A

    It may well now be a largely muslim christian country thanks to the influx of refugees from less pleasant regimes, and all the shit that hospitality brings…

    USof A

    What shit has the USA had to endure because of an influx of refugees. Correct me if I’m wrong, but you’re imp,lying that immigrants from south of the border are a burden on the Union? How so?

    jfletch
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    To the people saying “this issue was lack of provision for those parishes that didn’t want to report to a female bishop” I’d say you are wrong. Those people are the problem and they should be challenged, not appeased. They as an organisation should be forced to adhere to the non discriminatory practices and laws of the rest of society.

    If they personally want to hold outdated beliefs re. women in power then believe away in private but they shouldn’t be allowed to let it affect the lives of others. They have the option of standing down, they as individuals are not being forced to anything they don’t want to do.

    The issue is not the minority who oppose women bishops but the few who voted against even though they support women bishops as they think others should have the right to act in a discriminatory way. Not unpredictable given the historical position of the church I suppose.

    rudebwoy
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    What shit has the USA had to endure because of an influx of refugees. Correct me if I’m wrong, but you’re imp,lying that immigrants from south of the border are a burden on the Union? How so?

    IIRC– the indigenous americans have sufferered greatly from the influx of refugees, but my main point is that its a nation that is made of them, so you will always get upheaval during any process–dialectic if you like

    mogrim
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    I don’t regard Spain, Italy, Portugal, Tunisia, Morocco, Jordan, Turkmenistan or Uzbekistan as being tolerant.

    How could you not regard Spain, Portugal and Italy as not being tolerant??? (no idea about the other countries…)

    Premier Icon miketually
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    There are certain priests who do not want to “report” to a woman bishop

    But the clergy at synod voted fairly overwhelmingly in favour.

    patriotpro
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    rudebwoy – Member
    one of the least tolerant places is the USA, especially if you are white black and in the ‘wrong’ area.

    mefty
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    But the clergy at synod voted fairly overwhelmingly in favour.

    Which is irrelevant as you have to carry all houses, however I think I oversimplified the situation as under the proposals it would be up to the parish rather than the clergyman whether they accepted a woman bishop.

    Premier Icon miketually
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    under the proposals it would be up to the parish rather than the clergyman whether they accepted a woman bishop

    And the majority of parishes are in favour of women bishops. (Just think, one day they might just be called bishops.)

    A minority of an increasingly irrelevant minority are against women bishops, yet this skews the demographic make up of our parliament, which affects all of us even if we don’t believe in the same god or gods.

    With this decision and opposing marriage equality, I think the CofE may just have started us on the road to disestablishment. That would just leave Iran with reserved seats for religious figures.

    Premier Icon binners
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    At the end of the day, it doesn’t really matter.

    Its not like C of E is a proper religion anyway, is it? For a start it only exists because some fat bloke really, really struggled to keep it in his pants.

    Surely its just a large receptacle for people who don’t give a monkeys about religion – in fact, they give the whole subject so little thought, they can’t even be arsed defining themselves as atheists or agnostics, as if they did, they’d have to justify it with something more substantial than “do you know what? I really couldn’t give a ****!”

    And people who really dislike Catholics. Rangers fans perhaps?

    Isn’t it just a sort of ‘none of the above’ option, compared to a more shouty, beardy or Italian-based operations?

    Premier Icon miketually
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    At the end of the day, it doesn’t really matter.

    The bishops help to decide our laws, so it matters. The rest of it is an irrelevance.

    Junkyard
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    Internally I dont care what they do – it is hardly the only issue where they are somewhat out of touch.

    Ignoring everything else i would refuse to worship a god who was a sexist

    Berm Bandit
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    Berm Bandit – Member

    This and the fat twunt that got locked up for child abuse yesterday tell me everything that I need or want to know about organised religion.

    The end.

    Yes, because as we’ve learnt over the last number of weeks, sexual abuse is the special domain of organised religion.

    When I was a kid, the perps were all involved in the scouting movement. And ice hockey. Tells me all I need or want to know about those two institutions.

    The end.

    Saxonrider: You seem to be quite exercised about all this, so for clarity I do appreciate that sodmising little boys or discriminating against large swathes of society, is not the exclusive province of organised religion. However, they do seem to also specialise in pontification and attempts to monopolise and manipulate the moral high ground while they are doing so. Thus my point that I really don’t need to know anymore about them. If the truth be known I have little time for the scouts, and even less for Ice hockey, if that helps.

    Premier Icon ourmaninthenorth
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    And the majority of parishes are in favour of women bishops. (Just think, one day they might just be called bishops.)

    My in-laws have a part-time female priest in their parish. for some reason this particular combination (part-time, woman) really irks a vocal proportion of the congregation.

    But then they didn’t like the previous (temporary) incumbent on account of him being too evangelical for their tastes and for his wife being a core part of the services!

    What this tells me is that women have nothing to do with this. It’s all about resistance to change.

    alex222
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    what’s a church of england?

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