started to stretch my giraffe neck at home because of various pains which seem to emanate from that area . I’m using the folded towel round the back of the head attached to a bungy tied to a door handle whilst lying down and it works quite well but just wondered if anyone had tried the other relatively inexpensive versions such as the pump up neck collar ( loads of china cheapies available) or the door kit using a weighted back /pulley and neck harness?
Quite like the pump up idea for convenience but wonder if it really does work ok.
be interested in your experiences
thanks in advance
Bill

Sounds risky. Personally I’d seek the professional advice of a gynecologist first.

Michael Hutchence?

Is that you?

Cervical

Or am I missing something?

I found myself agreeing with qwerty until I Googled it. There seems to be loads of self help and fancy bits of hardware so I’m sure you’ll be fine just hanging heavy weights on your neck as long as you follow the Youtube videos.

Though I think I’d consult a GP or physio – just to be on the safe side.

^^^

Off topic completely. But I realised the other day that is saul from homeland.

already asked chiro + loads do it regularly with good results[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8xRxSNZkBY[/video]

FYI y’all….
C is for cervix.
Cervix means neck..
“Neck of head”
“Neck of womb”

Also, C is for cookie

DrP

Kaiser – you asked a chiropractor? a proven snake oil salesman? Someone with no proper medical knowledge and who works in a profession with no evidence of any benefit from their treatments but plenty of evidence of harm

don’t do it

what tj said.

SOwhat happens when a clinician goes to a chiropractor and gets good outcomes? Does the evidence base swallow itself into an ever lasting loop?

with no evidence of any benefit from their treatments but plenty of evidence of harm

Oh no, hang on…
Sorry different topic.

SOwhat happens when a clinician goes to a chiropractor and gets good outcomes? Does the evidence base swallow itself into an ever lasting loop?

I think that’s getting back to ‘one person’s experience isn’t evidence’ argument isn’t it?

My chiropractor definately knows his stuff and doesn’t suggest multiple visits when unnecessary ,in fact one time didn’t charge me because he couldn’t get the movement needed in my thoracic spine (due to muscle tension ) to loosen up my chronically stiff upper back. neither physios or osteo have helped as much to relieve the pain i feel.
Re NO evidence ..my personal experience is all the evidence i need and if it didn’t help i wouldn’t use it.

jimbobo – Member

SOwhat happens when a clinician goes to a chiropractor and gets good outcomes? Does the evidence base swallow itself into an ever lasting loop?

anecdote is not evidence

there was a lot of research into chiros and evidence for effectiveness due to a libel claim from the chiropractors association against a medic. The chiropractors lost. there is no evidence of any benefit from chiropractic whatsoever but there is evidence of harm

Enough evidence for it to be added to NHS treatment in Wales…

Rachel

Same word, pronounced differently to avoid confusion:

Serv-eye-cle: just below the head

Serv-ickle: just below the uterus

allthe gear – chiropractic or spinal manipulation in general?

There is zero evidence of any benefit from chiropractic. Zero. there is slight evidence but far from conclusive for osteopathy and spinal manipulation from Physios

What is the cause of root of the neck problem? Do you have herniated disc? Muscle imbalances creating pain? Back or hip problems? What is your walking like?

The neck bizzarely is often affected by other skeletal issues massively, so it is worth getting another opinion rather than self medicating/ manipulation.

I am no fan of chiropractic s having tried a good few but i am a big fan of osteopath if you get a good one.

Same word, pronounced differently to avoid confusion:

Serv-eye-cle: just below the head

Serv-ickle: just below the uterus

Yes, this is something I have noticed too. I’m not sure if there’s an official basis for it (the entomology* is identical so I would guess not) but the difference can be used to troll other doctors. Eg please examine this lady with serv-ickle pain.

*Sic

Kaiser – you asked a chiropractor? a proven snake oil salesman? Someone with no proper medical knowledge and who works in a profession with no evidence of any benefit from their treatments but plenty of evidence of harm

This seems a bit more balanced

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/chiropractic/Pages/Introduction.aspx

There is evidence that they can treat things like back pain. But no alternative therapy, including chiropractic manipulation is more effective than the conventional alternative

Will quoting a paper help

http://www.thespinejournalonline.com/article/S1529-9430(03)00177-3/abstract?cc=y=

PS I’m no fan alternative therapies. But all medical practice needs evaluating to the same standards. Anecdotal evidence either way is of no help

And conventional treatment is painkillers and wait.

From your link
“here is some, mostly poor-quality, evidence that spinal manipulation is an effective treatment for some other musculoskeletal conditions involving the bones, joints and soft tissue. The evidence on manual therapy, including spinal manipulation, is not strong enough in these cases to form the basis of a recommendation to use the treatment.”

Inb other words it utter bollocks without the shred of an evidence base

tj although that is a quote its not the bit I was referring to

There is good evidence that manual therapy which may include spinal manipulation – as practised by chiropractors – can be an effective treatment for persistent lower back pain.

Here is a paper with some low grade evidence

I’m repeating myself as I edited it into my earlier post

http://www.thespinejournalonline.com/article/S1529-9430(03)00177-3/abstract?cc=y=

So I can’t agree with the statement “zero evidence for chiropratic manipulation as a treatment for lower back pain”

I’ll say again. I’m skeptical about alternative medicine (puting it mildly). But we must use the same standards for all medicine

Zero evidence that meets even the basic standards for healthcare treatment. Zero real evidence

thats right – we should use the same standards and if we did chiropractic would be banned as dangerous and a sham.

The spine journal – a fake pseudo medical journal. Read the 2011 cochrane review

Not one properly constructed study has ever found any significant benefit whereas its a fact many people have been damaged by chiropractic

double post

Ok I checked at the Cochrane review, well the abstract. It says what I thought it would. It’s not better than anything else. Not the same as no affect

Combined chiropractic interventions slightly improved pain and disability in the short-term and pain in the medium-term for acute and subacute LBP. However, there is currently no evidence that supports or refutes that these interventions provide a clinically meaningful difference for pain or disability in people with LBP when compared to other interventions. Future research is very likely to change the estimate of effect and our confidence in the results.

ampthill – you understand the language that medical research is written in?

That basically saying its nonsense and we cannot prove it now but will in the future

the review is of 12 randomised studies only 3 of which are at low risk of bias – again translates as the evidence is rubbish

Chiropractic does no good and often cause damage

Phrenic nerve injury: a rare but serious complication of chiropractic neck manipulation

https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chiroeval.html

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/may/14/dangers-chiropractic-treatment-under-reported

TJ sorry but you are talking nonsense by saying chiropractic does NO good. It has helped me immensely and not by placebo effect but by reducing pressure on irritated spinal nerves.

TJ I’ll read the links later

I enjoy a good debate. No personal, comments good stuff

I had a patient who had his vertebral artery ripped off by a chiropractor manipulating his neck one time too many.
But that’s just an anecdote, not evidence. So I don’t think it will happen every time someone sees a chiropractor

kaiser – Member

TJ sorry but you are talking nonsense by saying chiropractic does NO good. It has helped me immensely and not by placebo effect but by reducing pressure on irritated spinal nerves.

Nopoe – anecdote is not evidence and chiropractic does not reduce the time the pain takes to settle. You get back pain. you have two weeks worth of chiropractic intervention and the pain gets better so you think the chiropractic has worked. Actually the pain would have got better in the same timescale if you had done nothing.

Its a complete con and a dangerous one

I like my chiro. Not necessarily for the manipulation but certainly as we discuss how to best stretch the hurty bit and get some movement. Sitting on yer arse waiting is never good.

It’s bollox but then I don’t really trust anyone. Especially doctors paid to prescribe stuff.

It would be interesting to know documented percentages for dangerous outcomes from doctors and chiropractic compared.

You pays yer money…

Well said tj , please listen to,him guys and girls .

i had/have a neck problem whichnothing seemed to help. It was from riding bikes
One day there was a physiotherapist from NZ, who just moved my neck around for a minute, and the problem was gone.
It was fine for months, until I fell off again. By this time the physio had left town.
Again, in Thailand, I went to see a thai @practitioner. He did the same, twisted my neck for a minute, and it all clicked back into place.
Its about time I went to see him again

Whatever approach or methodology an individual finds benefit from is their’s to choose. We make our own world, with our own beliefs and we can all be different.

Having experienced chiro, osteo and physio over a number of years, my symptoms never went away completely. Using a fit ball daily helped me massively with both lower and upper back issues.

That was 10 years ago.

Go holistic OP. Look and consider the possible metaphysical causes and make a choice, carry on as you are or deal with them.