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  • MTT
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    One of the less ‘casual reading’ threads on STW… but I thought a fellow middle aged paper shufflers may be able to offer some guidance.

    Does CE marking ( & 1090) apply to offshore constructions? North sea rigs for instance.

    I’d rather the answer was no.

    Any links or direction would be appreciated.

    Thanks

    kevj
    Member

    I have seen references to CE marking in specifications, but no. My work is 99% offshore supply and we do not provide this. That said, we have Lloyd’s register type approvals and have a long established trading record.

    I’d be interested in why you want a no?

    winston_dog
    Member

    If you are talking about the standard of construction of the actual platforms and rigs then this controlled by a marine classification society, such as Lloyds, as mentioned above.

    There are others such as DNV or ABS.

    DNV have a lot of info on the web here

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    CE only applies if you sell your product in the EU or a market which also requires CE.

    If offshore is outside the 12 mile limit, then I doubt it would apply.

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    depends where the sale ‘takes place’?

    If the transaction is within the EU (eg. between two UK registered ltd co’s) but the item is then transported outside of the 12 mile limit where has the sale happened?

    MTT
    Member

    Thanks for responses, its parts for a rig, ancillary equipment, hot ducts (600 deg) etc.

    winston_dog
    Member

    its parts for a rig, ancillary equipment, hot ducts (600 deg) etc.

    By the sounds of it they will have to be made to an approved standard. Have a look at that DNV site.

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    Having googled I can’t find out whether it matters where the sales takes place or where you use it. I’d guess the latter as I could buy a Radio from Zambia and have it shipped to Ghana to use but wouldn’t need CE for that…..

    NB Do Hot Ducts even come under CE?

    The CE Marking Is Required Only for the Following Types of Products:

    Toys
    Machinery
    Electrical equipment
    Electronic equipment
    Personal protective equipment
    Pressure equipment
    Medical devices
    Active implantable medical devices
    In vitro diagnostica
    Radio and Telecommunications terminal equipment
    Simple pressure vessels
    Gas appliances
    Lifts
    Recreational craft
    Equipment and protective systems for use in explosive atmospheres
    Non-automatic weighing instruments
    Cableways
    Construction products
    Explosives for civil use
    New hot water boilers
    Measuring Equipment

    MTT
    Member

    Winston, thanks, I’ll be working to design codes but not 1090/Eurocode 3 due to the inspection requirements (100pc radiography). Build is onshore as is the sale.

    mr plow
    Member

    My father supplies metal to the construction industry and has asked a lot about CE marking as there is a drive for designers to check all materials that go to site are CE marked. I started reading up on it here.

    http://www.steelconstruction.info/CE_marking

    dragon
    Member

    Is it specified by the client in their list of requirements?

    kevj
    Member

    MTT – Member
    Thanks for responses, its parts for a rig, ancillary equipment, hot ducts (600 deg) etc.

    Interesting. I am currently supplying a similar product. Our system is too bespoke to warrant a CE cert. An IVB cert is different though. I hope you are charging the client for this. £4500 plus your time depending on scope.

    winston_dog
    Member

    An IVB cert is different though. I hope you are charging the client for this. £4500 plus your time depending on scope.

    How can you issue IVB certification for your own equipment?

    kevj
    Member

    winston_dog – Member
    An IVB cert is different though. I hope you are charging the client for this. £4500 plus your time depending on scope.
    How can you issue IVB certification for your own equipment?

    You can’t. You pay Lloyd’s or DNV to check your calcs and drawings and they issue a cert to say they agree with your design. Or they don’t which is a far bigger issue.

    Heat will play a massive part if his ducts are reaching temps of +600 deg. Welds, expansion, shrinkage and fatigue are all calculable and an IVB will want to see design proof.

    kevj
    Member

    WD, possibly you have mis-interpreted me. I am of the understanding a CE cert would be applicable if you provided the same item many times over, whereas a unique system would not warrant this type if cert, but a one specific to it and only it.

    winston_dog
    Member

    kevj – That makes sense.

    Although without getting too pedantic your post made it sound like you would be issuing the cert and not LR or DNV. 🙂

    I don’t think there are any standard European requirements for specialist offshore equipment and no government department would really have the expertise to set any, so CE markings cannot apply. That’s where the likes of LR or DNV come in.

    If you were making numerous identical systems I would guess you get them “type approved” by them, so you wouldn’t need to get an IVB cert for each one.

    kevj
    Member

    WD, <genuinely sorry> not sure how to not sound pedantic here (and I have tried re-wording this a few times). IVB = Independent Verification Body. There is no way I could provide this for items I am supplying :oops:. Hence my back charging of the client remark.

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