So different but equivalent. And these days you don’t win either without a decent, dedicated team.

Unless you start looking at stage wins – TTs and mountain stages for the GC guys, and flat stages for the points jersey guys, that puts it back in Cav’s favour.

All getting a bit apples:oranges though.

I think one GT points jersey equals one GT GC jersey – in my mind at least.

Not for me but close. As for stage wins, more impressed by summit finish on an HC climb than a sprint but they’re all great. Not sure that Cav’s the best now but at his best he was the greatest. Sagan – now there’s an awesome rider.

Sagan is the only rider from the current generation I could genuinely see winning all three jerseys (ignoring young rider here) at a grand tour. Not necessarily the same one, but I could see him becoming a real GC contender.

Yellow jersey is the only Grand Tour GC jersey Cav hasn’t worn too…

Has he worn the climbers jersey in any of the GC’s? Would be fairly improbable…

I’d say Cav is a more successful road cyclist than Wiggins, hard and silly to compare them, but winning all 3 major points Jerseys, for me, beats Wiggins tdf win.

Cav has dominated sprinting for a long period of time. Wiggins won the TdF just once and didn’t dominate in the others he entered. I couldn’t comment on his track record though.

Think Cav don’t like stupid questions or people who don’t listen!
from his twitter…
“Press conference for @letour. Was asked the same question, worded differently, 6times. I answered the same question, worded the same, 6times”

Less than 20 years ago (Rominger did the same thing 2 years earlier).

I think Jaja was the last rider to win all 3 different GT jerseys (even at different events) – Sagan definitely has a similar style of riding, though I suspect he might struggle to win the GC even at the Vuelta nowadays, as that tends to be more dominated by the GC specialists rather than the all-rounders since it moved to September. Would certainly be interesting to see him go for the Maillot a Pois, which is surely within his capabilities.

I do hope he’s clean 😈

I could
see him becoming a real GC contender.

Really? Podium maybe but unless there’s a really favourable course I just don’t see it. Well, not unless an undetectable drug or doping method becomes available that again allows riders who are too big to win tours and he actually uses them.

I think one GT points jersey equals one GT GC jersey – in my mind at least

Not even close IMO, sprinting is a side show, GC is the Tour. Wiggins acheivements outstrips Cav’s by some margin. Froomes also. It easy top be misled in this country that because we have success at something that its deemed important, sprinting, track and the Olympics come to mind.

sprinting is a side show, GC is the Tour.

Only form folk in this country who don’t know better. True enough the KOM jersey has been devalued in recent years but the points jersey has always been valued and has been won by some true cycling greats. Wiggins achievements on the road while impressive have been limited to mostly the last few years and all in relation to the tour. Cav on the other hand has won stages in pretty much every tour going as well as the MSR.

Sagan is the only rider from the current generation I could genuinely see winning all three jerseys (ignoring young rider here) at a grand tour.

Sagan would be hard pushed to get Yellow or the climbers jersey I think. He is huge so would need a Wiggings-esque stick man physique to even get close on the climbs to the other GC guys/ pure climbers.

Kwiatkowski looks like a better bet as a young all rounder who could challenge for anything although he trades a little sprinting for climbing ability over someone like Sagan…

… hard pushed to think of any other young rides that match up to those two though

We’ll did Holme Moss tonight, wind was brutal at the top.
Few cyclists but rammed with cars just going up and down again, closes to traffic at 6 pm Friday.
I reckon I’ll be up there with the ribble on sunday

rammed with cars just going up and down again,

eh? would that be curious lazy people wanting to see what the top looked like?

Sagan would be hard pushed to get Yellow or the climbers jersey I think. He is huge so would need a Wiggings-esque stick man physique to even get close on the climbs to the other GC guys/ pure climbers.

Came from mountain biking though (ie with hills – of course this makes him a great descender too 😉 ), and he’s no slouch on the hills – he’s not a Cav/Griepel/Kittel type ‘go backwards when there’s a mild slope’ sort of sprinter!

sprinting is a side show, GC is the Tour.

Only form folk in this country who don’t know better.

Might be an interesting exercise to ask a bunch of kids just starting out in the sport what their ultimate dream achievement would be.

Would more go for being the best sprinter in the world or would more prefer to win the Tour De France?

of course this makes him a great descender too

the recent canondale mtb vid suggested he could downhill.
It actually displayed that he could do really good skids but the DH ability was implied aswell
😉

sprinting is a side show, GC is the Tour.
Only form folk in this country who don’t know better.

It’s the same in Spain – the GC is the Tour. The other jerseys are a lot less important.

stage 15 2013 (Ventoux)

130. SVK SAGAN Peter 11 CANNONDALE 06h 17′ 13” + 28′ 28”

that’s a lot of time to make up to be a GC contender

Stage 15 2006 (Alpe d’Huez)?

stage 15 2013 (Ventoux)

When he’d been up the road for most of the day, then sat up, waited for the bunch to catch him and pulled a nice wheelie for the cameras? I’m not entirely convinced he was trying as hard as he could 😉

I didn’t say he’s a GC contender, just said that given his background I could see him becoming one, if he so desired.

just said that given his background I could see him becoming one, if he so desired.

yep GC in a syringe

Spooky!

Spoiler alert!

rocketdog.. can you just pick me 6 numbers between 1 and 49

*Like ^^^

OPQS dude says no fractures, so say.

so no going home to the bosom of an ex-page 3 model?
and i thought my life was shit. 🙄

What would you do with an ex page 3 model if you DID have a busted collarbone?

Lie back and think of England?

You haven’t bust a collarbone, have you… 🙂

Sorry, double post!

since he’s now out of the TdF

Still not 100% certain, but likely I guess. From Cycling News –

Mark Cavendish crashed out of contention in the sprint finish on stage 1 of the Tour de France with a separated shoulder.
…
A separation of the shoulder, also known as a separated acromioclavicular joint, is different to a dislocation in that it is the tearing of ligaments connecting the collarbone and shoulder blade.
Cavendish will undergo an MRI scan for further evaluation, and a decision will be made in the morning as to whether or not he will continue in the race.

Hey, Rusty, thanks for the update. I hope you are right and that he can continue.

The crash looked mighty painful if he manages to ride tomorrow let alone finish the tour I would be very surprised.

Hmm – if he’s done his ACJ and it’s not too bad then he may well be able to continue. Heavy strapping might be an option to try and reduce movement.

I did my ac joint in march. It bloody hurt and i was in a sling for a week, no bike for 2 months. Mine was a grade 3 tear, if Cav’s is a 1 then maybe he will carry on, but it don’t look good

That’s a painful debilitating injury no way in my opinion to ride competitively with even a low grade version.

He’s out, it’s official

As reported on BBC Sport at 09:30ish this morning.

Mark Cavendish is out of the Tour de France after he dislocated his shoulder and suffered ligament damage in a crash near the end of stage one in Yorkshire.

A huge shame that. Get well soon.