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  • Carrying a knife
  • somafunk
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    Leatherman Arc today, sometimes on my belt, but got an awkward belt to fit it on today, so in my pocket/on site office desk.

    Thats what I bought my brother for xmas, he’s a roofer and carries it every day on his belt and thinks its great, giving we live in rural galloway I guess he’s fine, if they ever search his van I think the axe, shovel, cable ties and numerous rolls of duct tape will cause more alarm

    chipps
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    I’ve been surprised to find that France has even stricter knife laws than the UK. It doesn’t seem to matter the blade size or the lockingness of it. And ‘The carrying and transporting of such weapons without legitimate reason is normally prohibited.’ – carrying meaning having in your pocket and transportation meaning with you, but out of reach. However, there’s still the grey area get-out of legitimate excuse – plus, case law states ‘French culture’ knives like the Opinel, Laguiole and Swiss Army aren’t considered weapons – but you’d better be near a sausage and some delicious cheese. I’ve been on rides in France where we’ve stopped for lunch (a proper ‘down-tools’ sit down for half an hour) and EVERYONE in the group started pulling out saucisson, fromage, baguettes and Opinels… So, in short, it’s stricter here, but still as confusing and open to interpretation.
    I shall, however, go and swap the Opinel No.10 (the big one with the corkscrew) in the boot of my car for a pair of Tuff Cut scissors and a regular corkscrew…

    ayjaydoubleyou
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    I think the locking blade/fixed blade thing has been done to death but bear this in mind.  A stale pale male etc etc may not be likely to be stopped and searched, but there are circumstances under which the locking emergency tomato opinel in your pocket could come to the attention of the police. In a former life I booked any number of drink drivers into custody who had small locknives on key rings, and occasionally opinels specifically, etc etc in their possession.  They were at that point committing the offence. Just one example of how it may come and bite you.

    Is this specifically on your person, or in your vehicle? SAK (which yes is a non locking, short enough blade) generally lives in my work bag which will be in the boot. On the occasional work trip that is possible by public transport, I sometimes move it from the front organiser pen pocket to deep within the bag.

    I do occasionally have a plasterboard saw in the bag. Such a thin flexible blade I doubt you could actually stab anyone wearing more than a t-shirt. But it looks like an 8inch serated zombie knife. The airport style bag scanners at Sky London offices were quite surprised by it.

    cookeaa
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    Is this specifically on your person, or in your vehicle?

    If you ever find yourself in the position that you’re attempting to split these particular hairs with an officer of the law, well, best of luck…

    Drac
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    I like you Drac, you’re usually a voice of reason, but that’s a ridiculous thing to say.

    Thanke. Yeah it’s just my normal retort.

    The law is clumsy, it’s a deterrent and to make prosecution easy for those they identify as a risk. However, without it there we little be more spontaneous attacks from the red mist attacks. Knife wounds are horrendous and despite what CZ much more dangerous than a screwdriver.

    The laws isn’t perfect,  causes a little inconvenience for slicing apples and cheese but it’s required.

    Scapegoat
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    Thank you scapegoat – finally a sensible post. Not a sensible law mind you, I agree with many on here that it does nothing to prevent knife crime and only serves to help ‘stale pale and male’ old men have knives close on their fingers whilst cutting something stubborn.

    That’s one of the more ridiculous things to come out of this.  I used to carry a locking blade knife because;reasons.

    When this legislation was introduced in 1988 (section 139 Criminal Justice Act 1988) it was widely assumed that a lock knife was a folding knife. However, some pedantic **** decided they’d have their moment of fame and in 1993 we had the stated case of Harris – v-DPP which determined that a blade with a locking mechanism was fixed.  This ruling has has a couple of goes at an appeal, but has been upheld.

    So my fingers are still at risk when I’m slicing tomatoes

    Cougar
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    I’ve never heard the term “zombie knife” before this thread so I googled it. The third hit was (of course) The Sun puffing out its chest for having them banned; the second Wikipedia; and the first Amazon.

    Clicking the Amazon link yields these gems:

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    Poopscoop
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    ^^The Ravenous Tomahawk does give me the munchies for zombie flesh if I’m honest.

    Cool that it’s unisex too, subtle taste difference between male and female brain matter.

    ayjaydoubleyou
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    going off on a tangent – regarding tomahawks

    I can vaguely remember reading something a while back that determined that a tomahawk combined with a small sheild in the off hand, was the best/most versatile armament for fighting (out of formation).

    I doubt the average roadman is reading treatises on pre-firearm combat techniques, so I wonder where this new obsession has come from.

    Drac
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    If my memory serves me correctly, from playing many zombie game. A zombie knife is like a knuckle duster with a blade.

    dyna-ti
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    Just weird carrying one in office just in case they fancy a tomato.

    I suppose this is down to parameters and the type of person who thinks critically. Not saying for a second you dont.

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    ‘Offices’ That workplace where everything can be found readily to hand. Yes ?. No of course not, and in fact you’re doing well if you can find a teaspoon let alone a knife sharp enough to slice a tomato, which coincidentally is one of those examples used to show the sharpness of any kitchen knife in a thousand tv ads across the land.

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    So you fancy a tomato or two, and while you’ll never see me trying one of those things, I do understand some go for them, but thats not really important.

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    So you can bite at it, risking juice down your workshirt, which could cause an eyebrow or two to be raised when you get called in for a boss meet, and the connotations that might imply, or at the very least down your chin, so you now also need find a paper towel, or such, again not something in ready supply in the ‘shared’ kitchen.

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    But lets just say there is a kitchen type knife sitting in the drawer, the one that was bought from Asda for cutting the cake at Mary’s leaving do, but has long given up its association with having a keen edge, especially one keen enough to perfectly slice that principle of fruit skin.

    You have the tomato, you have the knife, which is blunt and probably as much use as a teaspoon (if you were lucky enough to find one of those also).

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    Result, some smashed thing on the plate that once resembled a tomato, but not no longer offers any resemblance to those lovely cleanly sliced tomatoes segments, indicative of every tv knife commercial.

    And all for the want of a sharp knife…

    I think Benjamin Franklin would have owned and carried a pocket knife, don’t you 😕

    Cougar
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    A zombie knife is like a knuckle duster with a blade.

    As far as I can gather, it’s a knife with both a blade edge and a serrate, in dayglo colours, with “for twatting people” written on the handle.

    Cougar
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    Batfink has it.

    Countzero is miles off.

    I don’t see as they are mutually exclusive opinions. They’re both right IMHO.

    I have several tin-openers that just will not open modern cans because of the way the rim is constructed

    See, whilst I’m mostly with you on the subject of knives, I’m struggling to come up with a scenario where N+1 applies to can openers. Surely the optimum quantity here is “one”?

    simondbarnes
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    And all for the want of a sharp knife sharpener…

    FTFY

    ayjaydoubleyou
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    If my memory serves me correctly, from playing many zombie game. A zombie knife is like a knuckle duster with a blade.

    knuckleduster knife combo has been around since WW1 – called a trench knife

    dyna-ti
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    FTFY

    Well done 😆

    Though I wonder if your workmates might be a tad more concerned to see you sitting at the desk using it.

    Poopscoop
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    ayjaydoubleyou
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    going off on a tangent – regarding tomahawks

    I can vaguely remember reading something a while back that determined that a tomahawk combined with a small sheild in the off hand, was the best/most versatile armament for fighting (out of formation).

    I doubt the average roadman is reading treatises on pre-firearm combat techniques, so I wonder where this new obsession has come from.

    That’s my planned zombie apocalypse “build”.

    Unfortunately I bet my personal zombie apocalypse will be the type with running zombies, not the stumbling/slow kind. Even the undead have better cardio than me.

    irc
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    “The law is clumsy, it’s a deterrent and to make prosecution easy for those they identify as a risk.”

    Very much this. Back in the 80s the law was the Prevention of Crime Act 1953. It prohibited carrying offensive weapons. There was 2 categories. Anything designed to cause injury. A bayonet. A knuckle duster etc.  The second category was anything the suspect had in their possion that they intended to cause injury with.

    ” “ offensive weapon ” means any article made or adapted for use for causing injury to the person, or intended by the person having it with him for such use by him”

    There were numerous cases in Glasgow of neds being caught late at night in the city centre with Stanley knives in their pocket who were getting not guilty or not proven verdicts at court.  A Stanley knife is a tool not a weapon. Meanwhile there were numerous victims being slashed by Stanley knives.  Proving intent isn’t easy. Unless a knife is out the pocket being brandished you basically need a verbal admission. Surprisingly enough often  either no admission was made or it was alleged at court that any admission had been fabricated by the police.

    So the law was  changed to cover bladed and sharply pointed objects. Which has the unfortunate side effect of sometimes inadvertantly making criminals out of otherwise law abiding members of the public.

    Having Bladed or Pointed Articles (s49 CL(C)(S)A 1995)

    A key difference being that rather than the police needing to prove there was intent to use a knife as a weapon the person in possession had either reasonable excuse or lawful authority. And there were stated  exceptions. Work purposes  religious reasons or part of a national costume IE Skean Dhu.

    timmys
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    I’ve been surprised to find that France has even stricter knife laws than the UK.

    That doesn’t seem to gel with the standard French market stall that always seems to have an excellent selection of flick knives, knuckle dusters, ninja swords and ‘zombie knives’, next to the selection of gentile Opinels, Laguioles, oyster shuckers etc.!

    dissonance
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    I can vaguely remember reading something a while back that determined that a tomahawk combined with a small sheild in the off hand, was the best/most versatile armament for fighting (out of formation).

    Dunno about that. It is unlikely to do well against a hand and a half sword for example.
    Main advantage of tomahawk/other axe variants (outside of dedicated battle axes) is that they are more useful for day to day tasks than a sword and also cheaper.

    redthunder
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    Just found my “Real Lamb Foot”

    Cutting edge length 2.75″ from point to choil.

    3.25″ including choil and ricasso.

    Not worth the possible future bother, unless I grind .25″ off the end.

    dyna-ti
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    or it was alleged at court that any admission had been fabricated by the police.

    Yeah thats normal for the police. The phrase they always use as the reason given is ‘It’s for my own protection’ which is an instant conviction.

    When I went up to court, thats the phrase the 2 scumbags used for me. and I did not say that in the slightest. I said I’d forgotten it was in there, but they made a big play about the experience of these two liars, one had 20 years, the other something like 22 years experience. NOBODY says ‘it’s for my own protection Nobody. And according to the cop notes i said ‘Its fur ma ain protection’ Im from a poshish area and do not use guttural slang, but there it was for all to hear. Utter tosh. Glad to get that out, its been annoying me since the incident.

    Other useful cop phrases you may have heard about. “I can smell cannabis” -this then gives them the right to search your car/person. or the all time favourite “STOP RESISTING”- this then means they can pretty much do anything violent to you.

    ayjaydoubleyou
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    Dunno about that. It is unlikely to do well against a hand and a half sword for example.
    Main advantage of tomahawk/other axe variants (outside of dedicated battle axes) is that they are more useful for day to day tasks than a sword and also cheaper.

    It may have included aspects of how difficult it was to train/become proficient with it and the cost and difficulty of making it. Was your sword combined with wearable armour for example?

    aphex_2k
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    I think Police ask questions like “could someone see X as a weapon?”. I’d say you’d have to ask that someone.

    I believe “technically” in France you can’t have a one-handed opener, locking blade or something like a Spydy hole. Possibly Germany too.

    somafunk
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    Other useful cop phrases you may have heard about. “I can smell cannabis”

    Yeah they tried something similar with myself on a routine stop years ago when I was able to drive my Mk2 Golf Gti, (tyre check, general poke around etc..etc), I replied “of course you can smell cannabis, there’s a half oz of it in my bag”. They were really **** disappointed when I showed them my medical license for it.

    easily
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    I’m going to start carrying a spear. I believe it’s legal as long as the pointy end is rounded off.

    johnx2
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    3.25″ including choil and ricasso

    what have 80s singing duos got to do with this? Did they do “Save your luff for me”?

    Blackflag
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    If the police search you and find you are carrying a knife is “i have a smaller than normal penis” a legitimate reason?

    namastebuzz
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    I carry either a Leatherman or an Opinel knife in my car at all times and also take one in my hillwalking pack every day.

    The main use has been for dispatching wounded deer on several occasions. Not just on the roads but they run into fences as well.

    Finished off a wild donkey once too. In the Himalayas.

    sc-xc
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    Finished off a wild donkey once too. In the Himalayas.

    I hope you bought him a drink first.

    rogermoore
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    Neppalling.
    RM.

    Drac
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    Offices’ That workplace where everything can be found readily to hand. Yes ?. No of course not, and in fact you’re doing well if you can find a teaspoon let alone a knife

    Which is why you can keep them in your drawer, saves carrying a knife and protects your from the law.

    Edukator
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    I’ve been surprised to find that France has even stricter knife laws than the UK. It doesn’t seem to matter the blade size or the lockingness of it.

    Laws aren’t as simple as they seem because they get refined by jurisprudence. A locking knife is a “poignard” which is an arme de 6ème catégorie so you can’t carry an Opinel without a legitimate reason. However, a Laguiole doesn’t lock so you can carry it and it only becoems are weapon if you use it as such. So you need a Laguiole with a cork screw for you trips out with your mates. I bought one to replace my Opinel on camping trips but it’s so heavy I never take it with me. 🙂

    dudeofdoom
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    (White cuddly man, old enough to fondly remember whittling sticks in the woods but now largely happy to live in the real world)

    Yep the world moves on and you have to move with it,not find excuses so the rules don’t apply to you 🙂

    I also had a cracking scout knife for playing splits with and one of the scout masters had a cracking SS knife, fine in the day not so now, a lot of my er toys would be now be frowned upon but that was then and we live in the now.

    ashhh
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    I genuinley have no skin in this game, and don’t care much as long as you’re not using a knife for no good…..but I had no idea this many people were slicing tomato and cheese at work.

    My only venture Into knifes was when I bought a small victorinox climber after watching 127 hours. In 15 years I’ve only used it for the tweezers and to open beer / wine.

    redthunder
    Free Member

    Looks like a change to the SAK.
    sak

    Or grind down these shitters….

    one

    two

    somafunk
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    I texted a few mates in the town (kirkcudbright galloway) to see what they say, was interested to see if they are aware of the law, doesn’t matter to them was the general response.

    Brother : always carries his leatherman arc, says best xmas present i’ve bought him (roofer)

    Bruce : same as brother, (electrician) always carries.

    John : Big Opinel with lanyard (skipper, fishing boats) always carries but he’s only home for 3 days out of 10/12.

    Trigger : Big Opinel with lanyard, (creel fisherman) always carries. Also has big mora fixed blade knife and quick release holster

    James : Old locknife (farmer) always carries.

    And I know my mum has her SAK with nail file, scissors, tweezers etc in her handbag, dunno what model?

    Guess the wilds of galloway are different to town/city life

    kirkcudbright

    Nice little spot. The ranges suck balls and somewhere up there is a now very rusty Gerber folder. 😂

    Drac
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    I had no idea this many people were slicing tomato and cheese at work.

    That’s before you get to slicing cheese and apples on the trails or enjoying a freshly buttered croissant in the south down reenacting Mint Sauce.

    Nice little collection there red thunder.

    somafunk
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    Shame the range dumped/fired 12,000+ depleted uranium shells in the bay though, my mate finds the odd shell or two every so often in his dredges.

    Used to love bombing around the range on my bike, very quiet and peaceful until you get escorted off for disturbing/crossing the training area when flags are flying 😉 , I could’ve walked away with so many weapons/shells before they tightened up security in the late 90’s.

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