Rather than just taking the piss – do you have any links to credible sources for your claims about peak oil, and air and water-powered engines?

Lawmanmx – Member

I thought you’d gone?

Aaaahhh the peak oil myth….

Please astound us with this ground breaking new science that you’ve developed that has turned a very finite resource into an infinite one

And if this world was really bothered about polution it wouldn’t have surpressed air and water powered vehicles

Yeah, I heard that they snuffed out the flying pig industry in its infancy also. Damn them.

http://anticorruptionsociety.com/five-myths-of-the-peak-oil-theory/

there you go not explains its a myth but explains why they are not really fossils too!!!

What next….something credible 😉

And on that note, im outta here!

As reliable and accurate as everything else you have said on this thread

Lawmanmx – Member
Aaaahhh the peak oil myth…. And if this world was really bothered about polution it wouldn’t have surpressed air and water powered vehicles

Sounds like we could power the world on your hot air and BS, you are George W Bush and I claim my $5bn

To be fair aside from reading the report about rural Wiltshire I know very little about rural Wiltshire but the transport issues there are not exactly unique. The privatisation of the busses has led to only the profitable routes being run by the bus companies with the less profitable dying off or being funded by subsidies so drastically reduced. An example of private sector inefficiency . Local councils running all services can spread the costs over all routes for the benefit of all.

Wiltshire also has the common problem of a shifting rural demographic which was what my repeated local point was about. The rural areas were where people who worked in the rural economy lived . Increasingly they are occupied by affluent incomers who drive up prices tend not to use the local schools and tend not to work locally. The low cost of petrol is one of the factors that makes this lifestyle choice affordable for them . To be rude some mirror the dinner party guests in maccrusekeens link.

I have no problem with people who chose to live in rural areas driving but my original post simply made the point that given the costs attached to our car culture fuel duty is set too low. The changing nature of rural life is one of those costs

Yes Mike that makes loads of sense, and £1.40+ Cheap? I remember paying Half of that for a Gallon mate!
And on that note, im outta here!

Wow.

70p a Gallon in 1974.

Adjusted for inflation would be £7.17 today.

So yes, petrol is actually pretty cheap now at £6.36 a gallon.

(That was the point you were making wasn’t it ???)

🙄

And if this world was really bothered about polution it wouldn’t have surpressed air and water powered vehicles

I think you will find that it was basic Physics and the Laws of Thermodynamics that “suppressed” both those ideas.

But. You know. Whatever 😉

“Where there’s a nut there’s a conspiracy”

What next….something credible

I thank you for the link you provided. At last I have found my brothers in the quest for REAL TRUTH!

As some sort of payment, I offer you this – possibly the greatest collection of thinking I’ve ever read:

http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/

I have witnessed heads exploding upon reading this 😀

Back to the OP. It doesn’t matter how much you tell him, he will only learn for himself. There’s no substitute for experience and there’s only one way to get it (unfortunately). You can try and persuade him but if he’s determined to behave like a Wally, there’s little you can do to stop him . You could refuse to have anything to do with him whilst he’s being a berk, but that may not be the most constructive help…

$3.25 per gallon here in the US including taxes! 8)

Edit – the $3.25 above is for gasoline. Diesel is about $3.55…

$3.25 per gallon here in the US including taxes!

Smaller gallon, offensively poor fuel economy from most vehicles on the road. The US needs another couple of $ on the gallon to change behaviour of both manufacturers and consumers for the good.

The rural areas were where people who worked in the rural economy lived . Increasingly they are occupied by affluent incomers who drive up prices tend not to use the local schools and tend not to work locally.

I think it’s slightly more complex. The rural jobs have largely gone. Farms round where I am just don’t need the man power that they used to. As a consequence most of the rural people end up driving to get to non rural jobs – just like wealthy incomers. Though of course there are considerable differences across the country.

offensively poor fuel economy from most vehicles on the road

Hmm not as bad as you think. My wife’s old 2l Ford Escort got about 35mpg on long trips which is about 42mpg. When you consider it was automatic, that’s comparable with late 90s engine technology here.

Mid to high 30s is common for sensible cars there which would be around 45 here, which many people consider respectable from petrol cars. The reason diesel is not popular is because they couldn’t be sold between 1997 or so and the late 2000s due to smog regulations. When hybrids were released giving diesel level economy with petrol level NOx emissions they sold like hot cakes.

Of course, lots of people choose to drive huge trucks, which is another issue. It’s amazing how environmental concerns are completely off most people’s mental radar. It just doesn’t occur to them that they are doing anything bad at all.

Hmm not as bad as you think.

Yes it is. I said ‘most vehicles on the road’ and not ‘the smaller and more efficient vehicles’. Of course a lot of it comes down to personal choice of vehicle and not gallon size – the biggest selling vehicle on the road in the US is the F-150. The cheap fuel prices in the US allow people to make the choice and have huge monster trucks etc. newer cars also have a relatively high price compared to used, so more people hang on to gas guzzlers for longer. Current average for all passenger vehicles is just over 17mpg (just over 20 UK mpg).

Average new cars mpg in UK is 54mpg (UK) which is 46mpg (US). Average new passenger vehicle mpg in the US is 23.6mpg (US).

The cheap fuel prices in the US allow people to make the choice and have huge monster trucks etc.

Ever been to the middle east? Petrol is cheaper than drinking water.

Make of that what you will. 😉

Did the OP’s son ever get his car back? I’ve scanned the arguments but struggling to see anything.

[edit] rescanned and spotted it.

Lets all agree that all the high taxes are really working to keep the country working exactly as it should do …. But wait a minute????
Do we all believe this country is runing properly and most of all Fairly?

Go and live in Sweden, where taxes are substantially higher. Oddly enough, because a lot of everyday stuff we worry about is picked up by the government (pensions, childcare etc. etc.) people are in fact happier.

Don’t just take my word for it either.

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2008/nov/16/sweden-tax-burden-welfare
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/10345235/Happiest-country-to-be-old-is-Sweden-survey-finds.html

Maybe it’s because they think more about ‘us’ and less about ‘Me! Me! Me!’

Ever been to the middle east? Petrol is cheaper than drinking water.
Make of that what you will.

Drinking water is a more scarce resource than petrol, in the middle of a desert full of oil ?

OP – it sounds like a decent resolution. Glad it’s sorted. Hopefully it’s a lesson learned.

Drinking water is a more scarce resource than petrol, in the middle of a desert full of oil ?

It’s not as full as it used to be…

It’s not as full as it used to be…

Obviously not.

That’s because they took some out, and sold it.

Obviously not.

That’s because they took some out, and sold it.

I really am not sure of the point you’re trying to make here. Please enlighten me.

I really am not sure of the point you’re trying to make here. Please enlighten me.

Tedious internet point scoring, by the looks of it.

I really am not sure of the point you’re trying to make here. Please enlighten me.

I commented on the reason petrol was cheaper than water in the Middle East.

You said .. “it’s not as full as it used to be”

Which seemed pretty pointless to me, So I replied with something equally pointless.

Tedious internet point scoring, by the looks of it.

And by posting that you are achieving what exactly ?

Points perhaps ?