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  • So my dream 2 car garage is a Volkswagen T5 swb kombi and a BMW 1m

    I have the opertunity to buy one of these on Friday.

    The vw is 2 years old and has 17k on the clock

    The BMW is also two years old and also has 17k on the clock

    In a couple of years I’m going to own both so it’s a case of which to buy first.

    My heart says the bmw my head says the t5 so cast your votes now

    Premier Icon coolhandluke
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    Buy the one that’s the rarest on the SH market.

    Leave the easier to fine one for the time being.

    Premier Icon bearnecessities
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    Lucky bugger 😀

    T5

    1m!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Not at sub 20mpg!!!

    Pieface
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    Surely the 1m isn’t much better. Also its 2 cars in one so in the long run will be cheaper (as you’ll be buying i 2nd hand)

    Premier Icon aracer
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    I should have thought fuel consumption is the least of your worries with the 1m at least (people do seem to worry a lot about that and not very much about depreciation, which is totally backwards even at current fuel prices).

    1m is 30mpg though low 20s if driven properly. The rs6 is woeful all the time.

    Also most of the stuff on the 1m is pretty standard. While the rs6 is major bills if anything goes wrong.

    Also in the long run the rs6 will depreciate more then both the 1m and t5 combined. The 1m, even though it’s two years old, is being sold at list price.

    Also having driven an rs6 it’s not really a drivers car, and the steering, whilst accurate is appalling. You kind of pilot it around a corner then press the fast pedal until you hit the next corner. Saying that, every time you pressed the fast pedal you do giggle

    parkesie
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    T5 now as they hold value id imagine the 1m will loose more value so waiting a bit longer for that would work nicely.

    Premier Icon aracer
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    engineeringcowboy wrote:

    The 1m, even though it’s two years old, is being sold at list price.

    Eh? You don’t mean new list price, as it must be a lot more than that, so why wouldn’t it be being sold at s/h list price, and why is it an advantage? The thing with depreciation and s/h cars is that it can actually make for better value buying one which depreciates faster.

    hora
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    Totally different vehicles. Commute v parking v home parking v need for all that space v how often.

    In my situation the BMW would edge it but I’d love the space of the T5 5 times a year. Otherwise its a pointless tall/humungous estate that drives like a van.

    Most T5 owners are lifestyle drivers much like a Northface down jacket down the coffee city centre shop. A big estate does most what a T5 can do unless you camp monthly every month. 12times max a year as an only car aint enough.

    Aracer – new they were 40k the cheapest s/h I could find is £39.5k

    Hora that’s what worries me about the van most. I do want a t5 but like you said I only 10 times a year. An ideal second car

    hora
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    Dont get me wrong I’d LOVE a T5. I think they are ace but its a bag ofcompromises. Abit like owning just a DH bike and also trying to rideit on XC/trail when you only DH 10 times a year and Xc/trail the rest

    Premier Icon aracer
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    engineeringcowboy wrote:

    Aracer – new they were 40k the cheapest s/h I could find is £39.5k

    Well that seems pretty silly then for a 2yo car.

    Premier Icon tomhoward
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    £39.5k for a 2 year old 1m???? You could have a 2-3 yo 911 for that…

    neninja
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    Get the T5 and then get the M2 when it gets released in 2015.

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    Well that seems pretty silly then for a 2yo car.

    Very limited numbers (even though they ended up making twice as many as they planned to), excellent reviews, cheap next to other M cars, hence strong demand even now.

    Only 450 made for the UK, although some seem to have disappeared elsewhere – it sold out very quickly, they were selling for well above list for a while, now calming down slightly.

    iolo
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    Nissan micra and Peugeot partner.
    Spend the rest on world trips/ motorbike/prostetutes/cocaine/ whatever.

    Premier Icon benji
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    Love the 1M it’s a proper fun little machine, but personally would buy the T5 ideal race truck, fits bikes in, space to get changed in, it’s the vehicle over the years no matter how life changes would be useful, whereas a 1M will make you smile, it’s not very versatile.

    dai21t
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    I’ve got a t5 but mine is the lwb. If you’re going to carry bikes i’d advise going for the lwb rather than the swb as I can fit 5 bikes behind the rear seats without having to remove any wheels etc. The 1M would be a lot more fun, but its suprising how handy it is to have the van.

    k-sugden
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    If your buying a M1 check the wheel arches and sills carefully for stone chips some cars need a full repaint in as little a 3000 miles. Also check the history and avoid anything that was originally registered to BMW the press fleet have an hard life and are re marketed as ex management cars.

    thomthumb
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    A big estate does most what a T5 can do unless you camp monthly every month.

    it really doesn’t. wrt bikes at least.

    prawny
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    1m will be rarer than rocking horse poop in a couple of years, snap it up and look after it. No shortage of decent kombis about, get one whenever.

    I don’t really like 1series but the m is a proper future classic

    Premier Icon lesgrandepotato
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    T2 or t25 for 15k and Porsche 997 for 25k job jobbed!

    agent007
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    Was in a similar situation about 3 months ago. Audi RS4 Avant or T5 Van. Went for the RS4 and not regretting it for a second. It’s all the car you could ever want, does everything well and remains a very fast car even on the rare occasion here in the UK when it’s lashing it down. In a couple of years, once the cost of fuel gets too much, once I’ve accumulated too many points on the licence I’ll do the sensible thing and swap it for a T5 plus hopefully, once they’ve depreciated loads, a little rear wheel drive GT86 for the day to day stuff.

    agent007
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    Or save yourself a bucketload of cash and get an E46 M3, plus T4 Combi and you should be fully depreciation proofed and still have change from £20k

    bol
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    Car’s a car once you’ve owned it for a bit IME. I’ve always been more excited before hand. Get the one you can drive for a bit and get the most back for when you fancy something else. I’d go for the BM and get it out of my system while I had the chance. You’ve got the rest of your life for sensible cars.

    had loads of fast hatches and scoobys.but enjoy driving my t5 camper more even though it’s a bit slow .never mind getting it mapped over the hols .
    even more enjoyment 😀

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    1M! They’re holding money, so as long as you don’t put stellar mileage on it, it shouldn’t punish you too hard when you come to shift it on. I saw one on the road yesterday (in white, possibly the best colour) and they got the shape just right with that model.

    loddrik
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    Nice position to be in. I’d definitely go for the 1M. Seen a couple on the road and they have stacks of road presence.

    I’ve never seen one on the road! I’ve only seen three that we’re not in dealers. Including those in dealers I’ve only seen 6!

    The dealer had a white one as we’ll but it sold a couple of hours before I got there. It was actually a grand more then the black one with more miles and lower spec. Apparently because the black one has been discounted to make it shift.

    I think the white is the best colour but black has got the stealth look going on about it. I’m going to rebadge it so the only badge will be the tiny one built in to the side repeater.

    I can always buy the t5 next year. I’m not going to put mega mileage on it. My mate is selling his 10 yo ford focus diesel estate for a grand so I’ll buy that for most stuff

    Offroading
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    Personally I’d buy a E92 M3 at least, or E61 M5 with some miles on it.

    The 1M is a very nice car no doubts, but under the skin it’s made on the cheap. The chassis is steel, sub chassis is steel so it’s going to rust like crazy just like a cheap mondeo etc. At that price point i wouldn’t pay for a car with a steel chassis.

    At the 5 series level most of the body and nearly all of the sub chassis are alloy. I have an older E39 M too and recently replaced the front and rear suspension, 140K miles on it not one bolt was seized etc. That’s quality.

    I’d buy the 1M, it’s rare and cool. There’s often one parked up at the gym and it looks just right. A future classic for sure.

    Premier Icon on and on
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    The 1M gets my vote.
    They are great to drive and will potentially start to appreciate in the next couple of years.
    I’d imagine quite a few will find themselves shortened by a few feet by solid objects limiting their numbers further.

    I live in fleet, Hampshire and regularly see a couple on the road. I’d quite like one myself after I’ve scratched the itch for a vintage 911 turbo.

    agent007
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    They are great to drive and will potentially start to appreciate in the next couple of years.

    Great car indeed but appreciation? You’ll have to wait a fair few years for that to happen once it’s depreciated sufficiently first. Even the first RS2 and Escort Cosworth, cars with similar or greater rarity but with much more of a reputation and cult following have only recently started appreciating, 15+ years after they were launched.

    Premier Icon tonyg2003
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    Well the 1M is rarer and potentially harder to find another good one in the future so I’d go for that unless you really need the space for a T5. I can’t imagine the 1M appreciating for a long time until is well into its depreciation – usually ~10yrs. It will probably depreciate very slowly making it a good buy (depreciation has to be almost always the biggest cost of all expensive cars).

    I’d prefer a fast estate if I needed space and pace. RS4, RS6, C/E63 something like that. Big fuel bills but buy right and low depreciation.

    Well I decided on a Volkswagen T5

    This one


    GV60KYR-1 by ianpindir, on Flickr

    I was an inch away from buying the 1m but then it really is a second car so I bought this one first and will buy the 1m in a year or so 🙂

    Premier Icon tonyg2003
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    I was reading on a car thread that you can lease a 135i for about £230 exVAT per month. I think that if you were looking for a 1M that would be a good option?

    agent007
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    Looks lovely, what was the price, spec and mileage? Dealer or private sale?

    I got it for £17800 in the end from a used car dealer with 3 years rac warrantee and breakdown. It’s a140hp factory swb kombi, not sure of exact spec, but it’s got cruise, dab, Bluetooth, the cabin comfort pack, was a dealer ex demo, then sold to a mobility customer, it’s just under 3 years old and it’s done 17000 miles.

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