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  • Try riding a horse on anything but flat. You also have to balance/adjust as the horse moves alot.

    OMG, that sounds impossible, like trying to ride a bicycle off road in the wet! How could anyone do that?

    Would you ride a horse on Pecketwell? I wouldn’t. It isn’t really safe for a horse IMO.

    What does this Pecketwell look like?

    hora
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    Mikewsmith thats like posting Leogang DH and comparing it to what all posters on here can actually ride.

    When I say ride I dont mean wearing the gear and brake dragging either 😉

    Premier Icon mikewsmith
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    Yep Hora it’s like making blanket sweeping statements about most things 😉

    hora
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    Thats right. So we should preserve the gnarly just for us. Its ours principly. Right?

    Theres a few crying into over Stanage. Oh get over it its access to many users. The only issue with bluepig is its badly done. If it was trail centre compacted riders would still decry the injustice.

    If it was made gnarl riders would instantly forget horse/walkers and rave about it no? 😉

    Try a horse ride. Its fun. Hurts your legs mind

    grum
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    Try riding a horse on anything but flat. You also have to balance/adjust as the horse moves alot.
    Would you ride a horse on Pecketwell? I wouldn’t. It isn’t really safe for a horse IMO.

    Good point. I’ve written to the council asking them to flatten the hills around Hebden – seeing as horses can only ride on the flat. 🙄

    The only time I’ve ever ridden a horse was in Spain and it was on steep, narrow, rough tracks – it was great fun.

    hora
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    Grim you always twist a post.

    grum
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    Not really, just pointing out the numerous logical fallacies in your posts.

    You keep calling me grim when it’s not my name.

    Premier Icon Mr Agreeable
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    Please don’t let this thread get Hora’ed. 🙁

    Here’s a comment a Pennines ranger posted on the front page story, in case anyone missed it. If I was local I’d be helping out…

    rangerbill said: On April 29, 2013

    I’m here, covering the Mary Towneley Loop,on my own except one volunteer on a Wednesday.
    I’ve got a Landy that seats 5, we’ve got tools. Come and help me please.

    Ive got a stone pitching job to do at the top of Gorple that I cant afford and I’m trying to put CMBC off graveling over that.

    Ive got half of the section between Marsh Lane and Jumble Hole Clough to try and save (the top bit is now the yellow brick road). That just needs some landscaping and IMBA style RGDs

    I’ve got a section below Pinnacle lane that needs RGDs putting in because they blasted that with gravel over the evil that is terram.

    Theres a section at Boulsworth that needs work before it gets blasted.

    Widdop

    Salter Rake

    Reddyshore Scout.

    Ive got Shizzle loads. Put down your laptop and pick up a spade!
    (I’ve tried so hard not to swear)

    william.brady@lancashire.gov.uk

    hora
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    Please don’t let this thread get Hora’ed

    Why? I’m saying different users all want to use the same trail. This means it’ll have to be a compromise to a degree as you want it to be interesting but as open/accessible to as many as possible.

    A difficult balancing act.

    B.A.Nana
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    I wish everywhere had a rangerbill, I wonder who ours is?

    Premier Icon BadlyWiredDog
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    Theres a few crying into over Stanage. Oh get over it its access to many users. The only issue with bluepig is its badly done. If it was trail centre compacted riders would still decry the injustice.

    If it was made gnarl riders would instantly forget horse/walkers and rave about it no?

    It’s not about the surface for once. Or accessibility. It’s primarily that the new surface is totally out of place in the surroundings and Derbyshire County Council is about to demolish the ancient foundations of the causeway, which are part of our archaeological heritage. It’s not so far from, say, resurfacing the ancient packhorse trails around Calderdale.

    It’s also costing around £250,000 of public money to achieve something that actually doesn’t need doing. That money could be spent on something genuinely useful instead.

    But don’t let reality get in the way of your knee-jerk posts.

    Premier Icon Mr Agreeable
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    I wish everywhere had a rangerbill

    Ditto.

    hora
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    and Derbyshire County Council is about to demolish the ancient foundations of the causeway, which are part of our archaeological heritage. It’s not so far from, say, resurfacing the ancient packhorse trails around Calderdale.

    Demolish? You sure? Have you asked/clarified this or is this one of your internet forum self-qualified comments?

    Also- resurface? Laying ontop? It has to be done otherwise how can you continue traffic/access for generations? surfaces wear out. These ancient packhorse routes, were they always packhorse routes?

    But don’t let what needs to be done get in the way of your sensationalist posts.

    The sad truth is specialist forums attract people who worry principly about their use of something over all others. Whereas people who never use forums just get on with sharing with all BWD.

    Premier Icon BadlyWiredDog
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    But don’t let what needs to be done get in the way of your sensationalist posts.

    I’ve been in direct contact with Derbyshire County Council and John Horscroft of Ride Sheffield. I’m not just making stuff up, no. Sorry about that.

    Like I said, it’s not about sharing or not, so put that bone down. It’s quite possible for stuff to be sustainable and accessible and still sympathetic, the work Cut Gate was a good example of that. A properly pitched, rock-based surface might be sustainable, what they’ve done so far isn’t. Have you ridden Chapel Gate recently?

    hora
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    Ive been in direct contact with Derbyshire County Council and John Horscroft of Ride Sheffield. I’m not just making stuff up, no. Sorry about that.

    I’ve been in contact with HMV doesn’t mean I know what their plans are.

    Why not elaborate. Did DCC say to you that they are planning on making deep works on said part?

    Premier Icon BadlyWiredDog
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    I’ll ask them about the term ‘deep works’ – what does that mean exactly?

    And why are you trying to make this into a binary teenage argument about accessibility?

    sircharles
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    As I pointed out this will make the blue pig a lovely trail to ride now
    With hopefully a blue grade feel to it

    Premier Icon unklehomered
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    Pretty sure blue has minimum width over a metre, more work needed I’m afraid.

    hora
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    BadlyWiredDog you know if you disagree with someone you argue your point but you don’t attempt denigrate the other person.

    I’m out, its like arguing with a militant walker rider

    I wish everywhere had a rangerbill, I wonder who ours is?

    There’s always Tony Lund and more locally Bob Thorp. But even with a like minded person in “authority” even they have to jump through myriad hoops.

    I reckon it’s better than it was, but maybe just because that thought makes me more positive / happy and I don’t want to be sad 😉

    Premier Icon BadlyWiredDog
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    BadlyWiredDog you know if you disagree with someone you argue your point but you don’t attempt denigrate the other person.

    I’m not arguing with you. I’m trying to explain that the issue at Stanage isn’t about accessibility, it’s about the way Derbyshire County Council goes about carrying out repairs to tracks. But you keep trying to make it into an argument about accessibility.

    And as far as denigrating people goes, go back and read your original response to me, this one:

    Demolish? You sure? Have you asked/clarified this or is this one of your internet forum self-qualified comments?

    Also- resurface? Laying ontop? It has to be done otherwise how can you continue traffic/access for generations? surfaces wear out. These ancient packhorse routes, were they always packhorse routes?

    But don’t let what needs to be done get in the way of your sensationalist posts.

    The sad truth is specialist forums attract people who worry principly about their use of something over all others. Whereas people who never use forums just get on with sharing with all BWD.

    What are you on about btw, the ‘people who never use forums just get on with sharing with all bit’? Baffled.

    Premier Icon Pook
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    I think what he’s trying to say is that without a channel through which to vent their ire i.e. the forum, rights of way users just get on with sharing the space rather than debating the whys and wherefores of access.

    Ignorance is bliss, if you will.

    Premier Icon BadlyWiredDog
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    Pook – Member
    I think what he’s trying to say is that without a channel through which to vent their ire i.e. the forum, rights of way users just get on with sharing the space rather than debating the whys and wherefores of access.

    Ignorance is bliss, if you will.

    Perhaps you pre-filter his posts in future so they make some sort of sense. It could be a full-time job… 😉

    Premier Icon Pook
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    I’ve already got a full time job sending over dramatic emails to uninterested public servants. And upsetting calderdale locals.

    And [strike]upsetting[/strike] mildly amusing calderdale locals.

    FTFY 😀

    thepodge
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    It’s primarily that the new surface is totally out of place in the surroundings.

    We are talking about the same Stanage arent we? The one that Starts from One Huge Car Park, finishes at Anther Huge Car Park above 3 very obvious reservoirs & overlooks 2 other car parks?

    Yeah, some gravel is way out of place.

    Mugboo
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    Are we any nearer to a concrete (possibly the wrong word!) plan?

    Anybody joining CTC and fighting from the inside?

    Is the Ride Sheffield, Ride Calderdale something we can develop around the UK? Or does it already exist?

    Ride Whoever as the localfoot soldiers, CTC as the political wing?

    As usual one problem is money. I already pay to be part of SingletrAction. I would now have to pay into CTC then possibly Ride Calderdale. Without cash though these things are toothless.

    Premier Icon Mr Agreeable
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    I wrote this rather long-winded blog post:

    Fix it, don’t flatten it

    But the conclusion is basically: keep them busy repairing the sh!te stuff, and they won’t have the time or budget to mess up anything good.

    I would now have to pay into CTC

    Not necessarily as STA are already affiliated to CTC (for a small, occassionally levied annual sub) and incidentally BC (but that’s to cover the next Chainless events).

    Come on boy, you know all this 😉

    Premier Icon unklehomered
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    I’m a newly un-lapsed CTC member.

    SingletrAction are CTC aphiliated, to a cost of between 50 and 100 pounds I think. I can check. Depends if RC want to go down the membership, formal route, or stay informal, which could be more advantageous to their goal tbh.

    Pondering starting a Facebook Ride Nidderdale group. But have a poo track record with keeping up with such things, and it would pull out of my Stainburn/STA time. To be honest we have **** all bridleways here anyway.

    If ride Calderdale get in with RangerBill (why on earth wouldn’t they), he would most likely be providing tools and materials. If such a relationship is successful for both parties it could lead to other things down the line.

    Other groups would have to get in touch with local ROW officers etc and prove themselves individually. Some LAs will be more restructive and less receptive than others. Nature of the beast.

    But doing nothing, acheives nothing.

    Mugboo
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    I know, I know this but now so does everbody else. Plus me being a member through my subs isn’t really adding much cash to the fighting fund..

    Premier Icon unklehomered
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    I wrote this rather long-winded blog post:

    That’s you! That was good, liked that alot.

    Premier Icon Mr Agreeable
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    Cheers. The only problem being that as mountain bikers we tend to avoid that stuff normally and so might not know where to send them.

    I’ve been using Fix My Street a fair bit lately, and had some encouraging responses. You can use it to report overgrown routes, road potholes and dog egg infestations too.

    B.A.Nana
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    Not necessarily as STA are already affiliated to CTC

    Where’s my fr1ggin CTC members magazines going back to 2007 then Cheeky?

    Plus me being a member through my subs isn’t really adding much cash to the fighting fund

    It adds c.£50 more thatn they would have had as you are not already a member 😉 It also adds numbers and the value of CTC being able to say, in disucssions, we have XXX affiliated organisations which could add to their gravitas during meetings, negotiations or just helping to open doors. Difficult to measure but not to be under-estimated or dismissed.

    Where’s my fr1ggin CTC members magazines going back to 2007 then Cheeky?

    It’s available online and affiliation comes in different levels (I imagine), ours doesn’t include the mag ;-P

    Bill is LCC isn’t he though? ‘We’ need to find someone in a similar role who is similarly eager to help/listen/work with a biking group in Calderdale County Council.

    Who that person is though is anyones guess. I wonder if Bill has a contact?

    I’m losing the plot… what are ‘we’ wanting out of this? Need some kind of charter to say we want this and that. I’m fearful that bombarding the council with letters saying we’re not happy with what they’ve done to the top of Blue Pig is going to fall on deaf ears. They’re just going to shrug their shoulders and say ‘and?’.

    Sounds like what RC (?) had setup previously was good. If any work was planned on a list of BWs in the area, could a cross section (yes, a cross section, not just riders) of users be notified to see if there was a happy medium that would sit happily with everyone.

    Structure needed with clear goals. If ‘we’ do find the right person at the council and they ask what ‘we’ want and all we can do is mumble about some gravel on a short section of trail, they’ll laugh us out the door.

    I’ll reiterate what I’ve said before, I’m happy to help in any capacity possible. I can even walk home via the council offices in Halifax if meetings with anyone is needed. That said, I’m just as at home shovelling stuff with a spade but I think at the moment, this is turning into a monster with multiple heads…

    Premier Icon unklehomered
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    It’s available online and affiliation comes in different levels (I imagine), ours doesn’t include the mag ;-P

    Did we get a free pen?

    But yes, it gives them weight increases the proportion of MTB aphiliates. Also they have been good for STA, and are the best bet atm IMO.

    I joined as I fancy writing emails asking them to do more, and they will have more wieght if I’m a member.

    B.A.Nana
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    ours doesn’t include the mag ;-P

    Oh! I thought they’d been powering your Ghillie Kettle.

    “my” ghillie kettle is touring the digs with Dave, powering the volunteers. I Just can’t “give” enough 😉

    Premier Icon BadlyWiredDog
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    We are talking about the same Stanage arent we? The one that Starts from One Huge Car Park, finishes at Anther Huge Car Park above 3 very obvious reservoirs & overlooks 2 other car parks?

    Yeah, some gravel is way out of place.

    I was thinking about several miles of stunning gritstone edge and an ancient causeway,. But I guess you could see it like that if you choose to.

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