- Bucket list… Flanders/Roubaix/etc… Pre-event/Race ride stuff ?
Off the top of my head, I think the ballpark figure at ~15mph+ is rider drafting can do ~150W less for the same speed
get the flock out of here ! Seriously ! That’s a massive massive figure…
I’ll be sending him out in front more often next time for it then.
Thanks all.Posted 3 months agow00dsterSubscriber
Not a chance!! It’s about 30% difference in a peloton. A single rider will give significantly less protection than that.
If you can get really really small, tucked into the most aero position known to man then you might save 30 watts while your man in the wind may be doing about 200. But always weather, road, bike setup differences to be factored in.
I do regular group rides with a power meter as do my riding buddies and no way on earth does the power drop by 150 watts by moving off the front.Posted 3 months ago
This really leads to ‘get a road bike for it’ doesn’t it. Lol
I just think if you want to do road rides a road bike will make it more fun but you have to open your mind to it being different and not just for for a cheap planet x bargain but a bike that fits.Posted 3 months ago
There’s no reason the P/X bike can’t fit just as well is there ? But realistically it’s not going to be embraced, it will be bought, used, sold… within a fortnight. There’s no world for me currently where road bikes are a thing and will be used often. It’s not road riding i don’t like, i have no issues with that at all, i enjoy riding on the road. It’s the riding position, the stiff harsh ride, the narrow tyres etc, they all add up to a big pile of meh for me. Once you add in the fact that after a road bike ride my shoulder/neck are in bits…. Then, no, it won’t open my mind i’m afraid.
Right, i’m off out to the Liverpool Palace game 🙂 thanks all.Posted 3 months agon0b0dy0ftheg0atMember
No idea if this has been updated since, but here’s an FFT vid on drafting from 2018, my ~150W saving was optimistic unless the lead rider is putting out something north of ~400W!
But even when the lead rider if two on road bikes puts out ~250W, the lead rider saves ~3W and the rider behind saves ~50W… On less aerodynamic bikes like rigid mountain bikes, I’d expect there to be more benefits for the drafting rider.Posted 3 months ago
There’s no reason the P/X bike can’t fit just as well is there ? But realistically it’s not going to be embraced, it will be bought, used, sold… within a fortnight.
No reason why it cant no, but you need experience to get them set up and chosen right.
It’s the riding position, the stiff harsh ride, the narrow tyres etc, they all add up to a big pile of meh for me.
These are the things that make it fun, mtb’s with slicks are shite on the road.
Once you add in the fact that after a road bike ride my shoulder/neck are in bits
See my first point and your point about harsh ride and narrow tyres etc, you sound like you are a little tense to say the least its likely to be that making you sore, once you learn to appreciate the differences and relax I’m sure itvwould get better.Posted 3 months agobenmanMember
As a recentish (in the last 18 months) roadie, I can appreciate how awkward it can feel to begin with on a road bike. It took me several months of road riding for the neck/shoulder pain to go away. And that was with a lot of spacers under my stem!
18 months on my flexibility has massively improved (as has my fitness!) and my stem is about 4cm lower with no neck/shoulder pain. Worth persevering with in my opinion. I used to commute on an MTB with slicks, and there is no comparison to the speed, acceleration and agility of a proper road bike.Posted 3 months ago
Well that was most interesting again today. Another cold one on the roads but at least it was dry mostly. Road surfaces far from dry but the sky was dry anyway.
Today we were both using Garmin’s and HR data for some comparisons.
Here’s a few things we picked up on today.
My recovery is both a greater chunk than his, along with being quicker.
Our climbing HR are not as different as you’d think at times
His HR sitting in my slipstream is almost identical to mine out front.
Sometimes your HR us a lot different to how it feels.
Overall conclusion though was that I don’t need a new bike which is good. I still really like the Parkwood and how it rides and it chugs all Ng plenty well. His road bike out descends mine, even if he’s on the hoods and I’m tucked as aero as possible, but that’s a short chunk of any ride, so no biggy.
His cadence and gearing mean he’s turning a much bigger gear than me, just a lot lower cadence, but I’m ok with that.
As long as we don’t get carried away on the day, we’ll be sweet!Posted 2 months ago
Entry open and completed 🙂Posted 2 months ago
Did an 80km solo ride yesterday, 1110m of elevation. I struggled a bit due to first 2 hours being into a horrible headwind and dead legs from 5 days of 300+w Zwift racing. Along with a minor mishap of taking a wrong turn and going further than I thought so didn’t have any food/water lol.
Overall it was fine, but got hard work at times.
Seat comfort over 4 hours was great but hands were a bit dead at times.
Still the questions of buying a road bike in my head at times, even though it would be sold the weekend afterPosted 2 months agoMTB-IdleMember
Entry open and completed 🙂
You doing this as well as or instead of the Tour of Flanders/RVV?Posted 2 months ago
Weeksy, did you get some bigger slick tyres ?
Nah, I’m running a pair of wtb cross boss 700*35
I like the comfort and feel they give for sure, but I have noticed on rides with my mate that I’m slower in comparison to him than we are on Zwift. But it’s all relative, I’m never going to be a 20mph average kind of guy that’s for sure.
Thanks for the offer but I don’t want to be stealing your rubber, I’ll happily buy a pair if that’s the way I go.Posted 2 months agoKryton57Subscriber
Those WTB will feel awful over there. You’ll be dragged backward on every normal piece of road and sucked into the Pave. Given the distance – and with the greatest respect – your atypical ride profile being of short duration I’d be getting some wider micro pattern road tyres Which roll a bit faster if I were you.
It’s not as bad as people make out, I did it on a standard road bike with 25mm Vittoria Open Pave at 80psi and didn’t wrap my bars twice. Just sit up on the pave for real wheel traction, keep a steady cadence and keep your hands loose on the tops – I felt that MTB experience helped, it’s the pure roadies that do most of the moaning. 😉
I have 32mm G Ones on my gravel bike I’d be tempted with those at worst.Posted 2 months agonotmyrealnameSubscriber
I’m more than happy for people to recommend tyre choices, it’s a minefield for sure.
Try the Panaracer Gravel King tyres, the file tread ones rather then the SK’s. They do then in 32mm, 35mm and 38mm. I’ve been using them as my road bike tyres for the past few months and they’ve been great. Don’t feel any slower than ‘proper’ road tyres either.Posted 2 months ago
Could get something with a puncture strip like the Schwalbe Durano?
Part of the reason I went for the Cross Boss was because they’re tubeless, even if I am to go more slick, I’d ideally go tubeless still if viable. I’d just rather not get a flat when on this ride and I think tubeless is better than even the best puncture proof tyre.Posted 2 months ago
As always i’ve been sitting here pondering…
Random thoughts of “Well, maybe just buy a road bike for the event, get back and flog it…” But there’s a chunk of faffing about doing that of course, boxing, shipping, profit/loss, damage etc…
So thought to myself, “How about hiring one…”
These guys can do me a Cervelo S3 in my size for the 5 days for £20 per day… So essentially £100. Which doesn’t sound unreasonable at all.
Still having the “Do i actually NEED anything”…. discussions… I’m 100% certain i don’t WANT anything, not in a long term context anyway.Posted 1 month ago
missed a post out.. (I’m having this discussion on a motorbike forum too, forgot to add this)
50km road ride with the locals today, very different outcome than 3-4 weeks ago though. We started with the same 3-4 miles route but this time I didn’t get dropped on the hills, but stayed at the pointy end of the group. This theme continued throughout the ride too, happy at or near the front and had plenty of turns pushing on at the front and dropping some of them. I asked after the ride if it was down to them riding winter bikes and tyres instead of summer bikes, but the lads just felt I must have been off form last time, which is possible as I’d done plenty of riding both indoor and outdoor before that one.
Whatever the reason, I came back happy today.Posted 1 month ago
I was in Decathlon this morning picking up a couple of side-mount bottle cages…. wandering round i saw these Decathlon specials… ‘city tyres’ with puncture protection.
[url=https://flic.kr/p/2ikcYsF]2020-01-26_01-30-26[/url] by Steve Weeks, on Flickr
They were £9.99 each, so thought, why not, i’ll try them and see hey…
[url=https://flic.kr/p/2ikaTNZ]2020-01-26_12-43-57[/url] by Steve Weeks, on Flickr
On they went, easily enough…. I doubt they’re even remotely tubeless, so didn’t bother and picked up a couple of tubes for them.
On the road they’re smooth, easy and quite… Due to being quite big in size too, they didn’t feel terribly alien too.
I went out for an hours loop, but it started raining so i bailed and came back… but enough of a ride to test them out.
[url=https://flic.kr/p/2ikc3jv]2020-01-26_12-43-50[/url] by Steve Weeks, on Flickr
[url=https://flic.kr/p/2ikc3we]2020-01-26_12-44-12[/url] by Steve Weeks, on Flickr
Considering it’s a section i’ve ridden 50+ times and on all variations of bike, i was really happy ! They’re fast that’s for sure.
Average for the short ride of just on 27km/h and for that particular segment it was 32.1km/h which ain’t bad at all.
I can see these staying on !Posted 1 month ago
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