BTR Ranger – British-made enduro hardtail awesomeness!

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  • wrecker
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    British;

    French;

    Can’t help bit think we’re lacking in the aesthetic department….
    Also, the french bike is Β£559, the british bike Β£675….

    scottfitz
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    “French” are you sure?

    wrecker
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    Well, fraiwanese.
    Not that I care/it matters.

    scottfitz
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    fraiwanese.

    close. Andwanese πŸ™‚

    godzilla
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    Loving the VIN plate.

    messiah
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    Production Privee looks lovely… but BB92 and a bizzare headset standard is enough to put me off which is a shame; It could so easily have been perfect for me.

    I am tempted by the Ranger… pick up phone and speak to man in shed who will weld your frame πŸ˜€

    wrecker
    Member

    close. Andwanese

    Damn you and your facts! πŸ˜€

    Old people. They do say some funny things.

    Kids these days. They have no respect

    TouchΓ©! πŸ˜†

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    IHN – Member

    Apparently this is a shredding machine

    Stack of time-expired Gnars just out of shot.

    dirk_pumpa
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    BTR all the way for me, i’ve been unfortunate enough to race against one half of the BTR gang this year.

    That frame is a great piece of workmanship and also a legitimate downhill frame. He puts lots of people to shame on their 4k full suss bikes. Look out for him in the BDS this year.

    To question the quality of that product is completely mad.

    YETIboyJAY
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    ^^^totally agree. I also met the makers of these lovely frames and have seen the first ‘belter’ in the flesh. The craftsmanship is second to none and I saw no dodgy welds, all looked perfect.

    Iirc both guys (Burf and Tam) have engineering backgrounds, on also does the cad/modelling side of things. Burf also used to race DH semi-pro with the Rsp team I think with the likes of Matt Farmer.

    My only hurdle is the price, but just think of the man hours and materials to make one.

    I’d love one personally. Makes my ExAlt look like a munter

    cruzer
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    Does make me laugh that people are slating BTR without looking into why them make frames as they do. As many people have said they are a 2 man company building bikes in a shed, and all power to them. How many people on here have the skills, experience and balls to turn a hobby into a job?

    I saw their full-sus frame up at chicksands on sunday, and the welding on it is a very high standard. The frame was designed and manufactured by the guys at BTR, the customer put forward his ideas and they expanded on from there. What people see to forget about this frame is that its their first prototype frame. Its not going to be perfect, theres going to be some issues and their learn from that.

    If you dont want to pay that much for a frame then im sure you can get a chinese frame that will suit your needs. How many frame manufacturers can honestly say that they design and manufacture their entire frame range within the uk?

    Give the guys a break, and embrace the BRITISHNESS!!! πŸ˜€

    mattsccm
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    ditto Stu πŸ˜†

    trail_rat
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    “Burf also used to race DH semi-pro with the Rsp team I think with the likes of Matt Farmer”

    From btrs site he didnt start racing till 99

    Team raleigh/rsp disbanded in 2000 – his name wasnt mentioned in the final press release unless its elliott baxter as hes the only one i aint met that rode for them in the final years

    But dont let the truth dispell a jolly good rumour.

    trail_rat
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    Possibly was one of the low budgetdiamond back race team spots that came after rsp disbanded though

    amedias
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    As cruzer said…try actually reading up a bit about why they’re building the things they are, and what their intended use is… it’s not mincing around the cake shop on a sunday…

    They’ve been known on the Uk scene for a little while now, via other more DH orientated communities and have a good rep, and even if the looks aren’t to you taste there’s no doubting their approach and the effort that goes into their frames, all handbuilt in the UK remember, custom geometry option, any tweaks you want etc, try getting that on your mass produced far-east frame.

    I’m due to take delivery of a frame from them in a couple of weeks, a new custom built front end mated to the rear end of my old Schwinn straight 6 so that I can keep my lawwill back end that I love so much but with a new re-designed front end with more modern geometry.

    And if you need any more persuasion, I approached several other UK frame builders about the project (back in September), including Curtis, some were vaguely interested, some not so much, but it was a personal recommendation from Tom at Demon Frameworks that put me onto BTR, and they’ve been really helpful, totally willing to work with me on the design and come up with something unique that I’m really excited about!

    Hats off to them for making a go of it and trying new things, how about we actually try and support UK builders trying to do stuff like this instead of sitting there picking holes in their gussets across the internet πŸ˜‰

    Some more info for those that are interested:

    http://dirt.mpora.com/news/homemade-bikes-paul-burford.html

    http://www.btr-fabrications.com/index.php/about-us

    http://bikemagic.com/gear/new-btr-ranger-enduro-hardtail-hand-built-in-britain.html#slide-1

    YETIboyJAY
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    Ah so it was muddy Fox not RSP. I knew it was one of them sort of brands. He’s bloody quick and got some good results there to back it up!

    Cheers mate

    I do like what they’re doing! Hope to have a go on one before I do any more bike shopping – I’d been thinking about getting something like a Cotic Rocket or Orange Alpine 160 in the future but I’m very lazy with maintenance and not a great fan of fettling and I like how hardtails feel. I’ve never played with FEA on bike frames so can’t comment on the gussets with any accuracy but I suspect it would take a lot to break a frame built like that without any gussets at all…

    My only concerns with the Ranger are that it’s a bit on the short side (I’d want to be able to run a very short stem), the seat tube pillar doesn’t go all that high (probably ok for me but I’m not that tall) and I’m not sure about mud clearance if you’re running big tyres what with the short stays and gussets. Will report back when I get to ride one…

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    chiefgrooveguru – Member

    My only concerns with the Ranger are that it’s a bit on the short side (I’d want to be able to run a very short stem), the seat tube pillar doesn’t go all that high (probably ok for me but I’m not that tall) and I’m not sure about mud clearance if you’re running big tyres what with the short stays and gussets. Will report back when I get to ride one…

    Well, the thing about custom builders is…

    thepodge
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    Amedias, if you don’t mind me asking, roughly how much was your new front end?

    amedias
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    My only concerns with the Ranger are that it’s a bit on the short side (I’d want to be able to run a very short stem), the seat tube pillar doesn’t go all that high

    see, thats easy to fix, when you speak to them, just say “Can you make this bit longer” job done!

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    i can’t help but think they’ve had to use very thick tube just so the tubes don’t pinch and buckle where the ‘gussets’ attach. surely it would be stronger and less susceptable to failure if the ‘gussets’ weren’t there.

    amedias
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    podge, happy to discuss money via email, but don’t think it’s appropriate on the thread as it was a custom job and price very much determined by what I was asking for, and I consider it reasonable, not cheap, but not overpriced.

    The one thing I will say is the cost of the frame included all the design and CAD work, including the best part of 3 months of tweaking…and I would not have been able to do that on my own so it’s not just paying for welding some tubes together.

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    Nice! VIN plate last seen on Soulcraft

    thepodge
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    Cool, I might drop you a line tomorrow thanks

    amedias
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    no worries, mail is in my profile

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    how about we actually try and support UK builders trying to do stuff like this instead of sitting there picking holes in their gussets across the internet

    I’m all for it, but as I said, I believe those gussets are doing nothing structural to the frame. If they’re meant to be decorative, fine aslong as they’re claimed to be so. If they’re supposed to be structural, then it gives me no faith in the rest of their design.

    trail_rat
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    To quote an american ( cant remember which ) -” badly designed gussets – telling frames where to crack since 1980″

    Shame because i do think it looks good in an individual sort of way

    Im happy to be proven wrong if they can show fea testing that says otherwise but if the gussets serving any purpose at all its exerting a point load in the tube rather than letting the weld take it.

    tymbian
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    BTR with CEN certification Β£725?

    amedias
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    That’s fair enough trail rat, if you know better.

    I just prefer to take the approach of assuming that the designer with the Engineering background that designs and makes bike frames knows more about it than me, and I’m happy to be proved wrong if all their frames start falling apart at the gussets, I’ll let you know if mine does.

    You also seemed pretty dismissive of Pauls racing background too, without bothering to do 5mins research…

    Having doubts and questions is good and healthy, and nobody is going to get things 100% right first time, but it just seems there’s a lot of poo-pooing going on when there should really be more support for grass-roots UK builders like this.

    Were you just as cynical when Pace, Hope, Orange, X-Lite, USE, Curtis, Demon etc started building things in sheds?

    I like what they’re doing, and I like the way they’re trying to do it, for that reason I support them, I’m sure they’ll make mistakes, and subsequently make better bikes because of it, but we should be supporting people like this!

    If you haven’t been before then I can heartily recommend going to Bespoked Bristol to see what other stuff is coming from small UK builders at the moment!

    YETIboyJAY
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    ^^^ HERE HERE. (in typical parliamentary style)

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    support for grass-roots UK builders like this.

    Support here.. fair to good vfm for a UK-made product and it’d be good to see more from them. Good luck to BTR.

    trail_rat
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    haha i know all about pauls racing history – i too was a member of SDH when he started ripping – what i was dismissive of was the claim(not by paul i might add) he was on RSP team.

    Time will tell and i wish them every success.

    FWIW as a previous owner of a LARGE downhill bike build in a car garage im all for out there in shed built designed bikes – it rode well , was slack low and plush as owt without bobbing like a badun

    shame it just couldnt hold its self together – but it certainly had no calcs done.

    thepodge
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    Grass roots doesn’t have to mean clunky

    The sooner people stop putting up with sub standard products because it’s British the better

    That is a general statement not one just relating to this frame

    scottfitz
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    Grass roots doesn’t have to mean clunky

    The sooner people stop putting up with sub standard products because it’s British the better

    That is a general statement not one just relating to this frame I though STW like clunky Orange 5

    The sooner people stop putting up with sub standard products because it’s British the better

    please define!!!

    scottfitz
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    FWIW as a previous owner of a LARGE downhill bike build in a car garage im all for out there in shed built designed bikes – it rode well , was slack low and plush as owt without bobbing like a badun

    shame it just couldnt hold its self together – but it certainly had no calcs done.
    Do you have any pics trail rat?

    trail_rat
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    edit – scratch that. those that know me know the jackanory

    amedias
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    I’ve had a fairly peppered history with breaking bikes intended for hard use too…

    > Specialized M2 hardtail (the ones the MBUK guys were messing around on in the late 90s as jump bikes) – unexpected headtube separation…
    > Old Sunn DH bike – snapped two back ends, cracked front end
    > Coyote DH2 – cracked
    > Orange Zero trials frame – cracked
    > Pashley trials frame – snapped, welded, snapped again
    > Rocket trials frame – snapped one, cracked another
    > Schwinn 4 banger – cracked
    > Schwinn Straight 6 – cracked a bit – still in use
    > Ellsworth Dare – cracked gussets – carried on using

    Which is another reason I like UK builders cos at least you can get them fixed easily!

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    I remember watching Burf racing a few times, he’s fast and a nice guy, I was chatting to him at Aston a few months back looking at the belter frame (surprisingly light for what it is).

    Personally I like the frames and considering the variations on geometry for the stock sizes, let alone the custom options they actually are reasonable VFM, still too pricey for me but if I could afford it I’d buy one over a number of other brands.

    I do love it when the STW armchair frame building experts get going. Some of you lot don’t half blow out your arses…

    jackthedog
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    a new custom built front end mated to the rear end of my old Schwinn straight 6 so that I can keep my lawwill back end that I love so much but with a new re-designed front end with more modern geometry.

    You sir have fine taste. Sounds like an awesome idea. Please share it on here when done.

    I like it. Reminds me of a metal head .

    thepodge
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    compositepro – please define!!!

    Many people seem to consider a product’s place of manufacture more important than its quality.

    cookeaa – I do love it when the STW armchair frame building experts get going. Some of you lot don’t half blow out your arses…

    Some of the “armchair engineers” on here have been involved in a lot bigger projects than designing & building a bike frame. Don’t be so quick to dismiss their comments.

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    Yeah, they’ve built sheds and stuff. πŸ˜‰

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