Brexit 2020+

Yep, but you could have apocalyptic scenes of destruction and still a sizable majority of the 51.9% would still believe in Brexit. I know, I ride with some of them.

. I know, I ride with some of them.

Why?

Britain really is a **** joke.

No more Cool Britainnia……

Why do I ride with them? We have other things in common such as bikes.

Due to labour shortages and pressure from their paymasters, the government will quietly but steadily increase both the numbers of visa’s for EU workers to come to the UK and broaden the categories covered.

It’ll just be seasonal short term workers picking fruit etc. Professionals won’t come, and no-one will come for long.  Why would you when your permission to stay is contingent on a job which you might not even like?  Why be treated as second class?  Why go to a country that voted to get rid of you and your kind?  There would have to be some compelling economic reason to do so, and that’s not really likely.

Gun, foot, shoot.
Alternatively – and more accurate in context of brexit – ready, fire, aim.

This feels like about the tenth time this pointless pinprick trading arrangement has been trotted out. A boost of 0.08% GDP having thrown away >5% through Brexit. Not to mention this shiny new agreement being with countries 10,000 miles away…

Does anyone actually believe in any of this nonsense anymore? Badenoch doesn’t – you can actually hear her smirking when ‘announcing’ our new partnership.

Brexit – conceived and pushed for by cynics and crooks, voted for by idiots.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55858490

Sadly some people do buy the lies. Have heard people say it’s better than what we had with the EU as we are in control! How can we control something that’s halfway round the world and where we are the little person in the group?

Sadly some people do buy the lies. Have heard people say it’s better than what we had with the EU as we are in control! How can we control something that’s halfway round the world and where we are the little person in the group?

idiots

Extreme right-winger badenoch on Kuenssberg this morning selling the new trade deal with Antarctica.

Any trade deals the UK does now we’re out of the EU will involve the other party saying ‘There you go. Thats all we’re prepared to offer you. Take it or *****ing leave it. We don’t actually care’

Taking back control eh?

Etias? anyone? A travel visa to enter Europe from 2024? Maybe I’d forgotten about this or it’s only just surfaced, but another Brexit bonus. 7 euro’s each as well. Maybe I could ask the Brexit voting members of our family to pay for these.

Maybe I could ask the Brexit voting members of our family to pay for these.

I don’t see a problem with that. After all, they knew what they were voting for, right?

Time to inter the express readership into a re-education camp

Rishi is so ecstatic about the new trade deal with Papua New Guinea that he got a 10 year old to do a little animated gif for him

It looks as low rent as the deal itself

It's official. We've joined CPTPP: 
 
➡️ Biggest trade deal since Brexit 
 
➡️ Major free trade bloc in Indo-Pacific 

➡️ £1.8 billion boost to the UK 
 
I want our economy to be the most innovative in the world. 

Here’s how CPTPP will help do that and grow our economy ?? pic.twitter.com/DKUpYTaIiw

— Rishi Sunak (@RishiSunak) July 16, 2023

A good article by Jay Rayner about the next phase of this rolling shitshow. When new border controls start to be imposed in October, all the food we import from the EU will increase in cost and a lot of EU suppliers will just not bother exporting to us any more

So Theresa Coffey may be right. Let them eat turnips

Here comes the next phase of Brexit – and it will be bad for our diet, health and wealth

Anyone notice a shift in opinion of us trying to rejoin at some point? It’s not really in Mt media yet but places that are definitely right-leaning like Facebook groups, forums etc are now actively discussing the subject without it being shot down immediately. I know there’s been talk ever since we left but it surprised me to see that there’s a thread over on Pistonheads (which was very much in the Leave camp) discussing not only the possibility of rejoining but what the terms would be here.. Don’t worry, they haven’t gone all the way as to realizing that we would be begging to rejoin on any terms, not dictating the situation!

Does seem that the mood of the country has suddenly flipped over the midpoint, possibly to do with out dire situation compared to Europe.

We would be doing unbelievably well to retain sterling if we rejoined. Veto? Forget it.

Yep, we would be at the bottom of the pile for any favours! Top table to back of the queue, all over a few lies and a blue passport.

LONDON, July 17 (Reuters) – Britain has added a number of construction roles to its “shortage occupation list”, allowing the building industry to bring in staff from abroad more easily to help employers struggling to fill positions.

Bricklayers, masons, roofers, roof tilers, slaters, carpenters, joiners and plasterers will benefit from cheaper visas and more relaxed employment criteria under the changes.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-relaxes-visa-rules-attract-foreign-construction-workers-2023-07-17/

That useless Union Flag based logo up there. They left out the N. Ireland component. ???

We would be doing unbelievably well to retain sterling if we rejoined. Veto? Forget it.

TBH why, I’ve heard this argument a few times and tbh it seems some unfounded excuse to not even attempt to rejoin ,we paid a shedload for the ‘settlement’ so another shedload for the prenup would probably make that go away.

we paid a shedload for the ‘settlement’ so another shedload for the prenup would probably make that go away.

Never remarried your ex?

tbh it seems some unfounded excuse to not even attempt to rejoin

Not at all. We can ask. We also cannot complain if we get told to **** off.

All that pissing around with Johnson/Frost and Barnier. Remember that? You can bet your arse the EU do. Remember that ‘we’ elected Johnson precisely because of his promise that he would outsmart those continental types and win a second Battle of Britain.

The EU will want a lot of guarantees, and that will necessarily impinge of Britain’s perceived right to do what the **** we want. If I was the EU, I would make rejoining contingent on there being no future referendums for 25 years. I’d also refuse to grant the UK the right of veto. Sterling? Well, that’s the real sticking point. Isn’t a pathway to adopting the Euro a precondition of joining nowadays? Perhaps not.

But Britain’s conduct in the last seven years will count against us in future.

If I was the EU

But you aren’t, you’re just some randomer on the internet making stuff up.

Ask the Swedes about adopting the Euro.

moimoifan
Free Member

We would be doing unbelievably well to retain sterling if we rejoined

We would automatically retain sterling if we rejoined, we couldn’t switch to the euro at that point even if we wanted to, it’s impossible. Further down the road, not switching is currently just a simple matter of not doing it. But if that were to change, it’s still easy to avoid it just by not meeting some part of your convergence criteria.

Keeping sterling would be our choice and a very simple thing to do. Switching to the euro ironically would be much harder

But you aren’t, you’re just some randomer on the internet making stuff up.

As are you.

And that leaves us… pretty much as you were, then.

Thanks for the insight.

🙃

All that pissing around with Johnson/Frost and Barnier. Remember that? You can bet your arse the EU do. Remember

TBH who got the best of that deal 🙂

They’d probably be very happy to have that dream negotiation team back for rejoining.

https://road.cc/content/news/brexit-blamed-uk-distributor-fli-ceases-trading-302665

Keeping sterling would be our choice and a very simple thing to do. 

This is why the other EU states, most of which will have invested gigantic amounts of time and money to adopt or aim for the Euro, can’t be bothered with our bullshit. The UK would want to join the EU again but wouldn’t want to adopt the Euro, even though adoption is now a long term condition of joining. And we think we are going to be incredibly cunning by lying about adopting the Euro but then simply not doing it. All while being a complete pain in the arse on the periphery of Europe and mucking our actual genuine EU member state neighbours (Ireland and France) around no end.

Nah, like I say this is how it’s done, it’s the designed-in fudge that the EU is completely happy with and has used for knocking on 30 years. It’d be no more controversial for the UK that it is for Sweden, who had their anti-euro referendum 20 years ago.

And like I say the other side is that joining the euro isn’t straightforward. Croatia have been pretty much constantly enthusiastic for the project and working towards it and it still took 10 years. The UK as it stands wouldn’t be allowed the euro even if we begged for it.

It’s an absolute non-issue, the only thing the UK has ever done regarding the euro that annoys the EU is to never stop going on about it

Ask the Swedes about adopting the Euro

I don’t think their get-out dodge will work now the EU are aware of it?

like I say this is how it’s done, it’s the designed-in fudge that the EU is completely happy with 

Yeah – for countries they want to join and that aren’t a total pain in the shitter. Rule 1 applies. Why do you think Croatia, having busted a gut to adopt the Euro this year, is going to let these dumbshit Anglo **** wander in and ignore the rules that they had to comply with?

You’re still in the “German car factories need us more than we need them” mentality – a delusion that has been shattered by real life for sensible Brexiteers.

There’s always a deal to be done. It just won’t be nearly as favourable as the last one.

politecameraaction
Free Member

Yeah – for countries they want to join and that aren’t a total pain in the shitter. Rule 1 applies. Why do you think Croatia, having busted a gut to adopt the Euro this year, is going to let these dumbshit Anglo **** wander in and ignore the rules that they had to comply with?

You’re still in the “German car factories need us more than we need them” mentality – a delusion that has been shattered by real life for sensible Brexiteers.

You have this completely the wrong way round. Croatia has busted a gut to adopt the euro because they want it. They are not being forced, they’re not doing it to “comply with rules”, they want it. All of the complying with rules they’ve been doing has been them meeting the convergence criteria in order to do so. It’s the exact reasons we’d not be allowed to join the euro let alone somehow forced to.

Any talk of us “having to adopt the euro” or “doing well to avoid it” would be “letting these dumbshit Anglo **** wander in and ignore the rules that they had to comply with”, we’re the other side of the exact same coin. Croatia would be rightly incensed if we were allowed to adopt the euro without fulfilling the criteria, or even less likely if we were somehow compelled to do so without fulfilling the criteria. But if we don’t do the work and aren’t allowed? That’s no problem at all, that’s exactly what they didn’t want to happen to them, it only shows them that the work was necessary for the goal they had.

And your last paragraph is even wronger and tbf makes no sense. There’s no “need us more” in my posts at all, never has been, never will be. I just know what the euro rules are, and so I know that anyone saying we’ll have to take the euro or even would be allowed to either doesn’t know, or is lying about it. It is just the EU’s own rules, as they are written and as they have always been enforced- there’ll be no special exemption for the UK, not this time, we’ll have the same rules everyone else does.

But like I said, it’s an unsinkable rubber duck, it’ll just bob back up in a few weeks.

As a European persuade me that the UK rejoining would be a good thing for me, my country and Europe.

So far all that I see on the news tells me I’ve benefitted with more inward investment, less unfair competition, progress on defence, a more balanced European parliament, a return of highly qualified and productive people… .

Rather difficult to do.  Politically better to have us in the tent pissing out?   Another big economy gives benefits as well?

UK MEPs were well known for “pissing in the tent”. 🙂

The “another big economy” thing doesn’t really work because increased intra-EU trade and EU trade with the rest of the world (+6%) replaced the trade lost with the UK (-2%) – the EU has done what Britain hoped to do.

Companies around the world used to use Britain as the access point to Europe both logistically and financially – the paperwork and legislative hurdles have pushed many to  choose other bases within Europe. Why would any EU country want to go back to having the UK as middle man?

Why would any EU country want to go back to having the UK as middle man?

Everybody here speaks English. Like businesses all over the world.

I just know what the euro rules are, and so I know that anyone saying we’ll have to take the euro or even would be allowed to either doesn’t know, or is lying about it.

🤣🤣🤣

Who can join and when?
All EU Member States, except Denmark, are required to adopt the euro and join the euro area…Adopting the euro also demands extensive preparations…The Treaty does not specify a particular timetable for joining the euro area but leaves it to Member States to develop their own strategies for meeting the condition for euro adoption.”

https://economy-finance.ec.europa.eu/euro/enlargement-euro-area/who-can-join-and-when_en

You seem to be under the delusion that all other EU states will allow the UK to join the EU by making the promise to adopt the EUR when they have no intention of ever doing so. A compromise where the timetable could be endlessly deferred was for friendly countries without which larger accession would have failed – FI accession without SE would have been impossible, so SE had leverage.

The UK is not in that category – we are peripheral and not integral to the European project, as we have proven, and we have been a total **** pain for years.

It just ain’t the case that Johnny Foreigner is going to ignore the rules for Blighty.

As a European persuade me that the UK rejoining would be a good thing for me, my country and Europe.

Well, hypothetically (and I’m not after an argument here I’m just talking rationally, this is not a ‘you need us’ post) the following:

• Makes the EU look pretty powerful if we come crawling back tail between legs
• The EU can look like the bigger party which also boosts rep in a way I’m sure they’d appreciate
• UK is still quite a big economy so it’ll boost the EU economy