Brexit 2020+

I think an entire narrative is being constructed around Roof Lady to try to imagine she had a point. She really didnt. She had a false preconception then created a bullshit narrative around it because that’s what morons do.

Funnily enough listening to her and thinking about roofs… one word sprung into my head – bungalow. Which is ironic as they don’t have anything upstairs either.

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Thanks for the link TJ. Is that really any different from where UK sentiment was before the referendum was called though? Where the public are now, and where they end up if Labour make the next election about Brexit and the campaigns take on an in/out narrative are two very different things.

Some follow on commentary in the same paper…

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/23/leavers-regret-brexit-rejoining-eu-nigel-farage

Not agreeing with it, just posting it.

Do agree with this bit though…

As for the terms of our exit, ask anyone who buys from, sells to or is stuck in a queue to visit the continent if we enjoy the “exact same benefits” we once did.

…b2c trade across the border is a ******* mess post Brexit. I don’t think it’s something most people give a shit about though. Until it’s their employer calling in the administrators.

Yes – its a huge change from pre brexit.  I remain convinced that labours brexiteer stance will cost them more seats than it gains as folk vote SNP / Green / Lib Dem as a pro europe vote and thus let tories / SNP in in many seats.

Its also still a year till the election – how much further pro europe is the public sentiment going to shift?  How much more would it shift with labour changing to a pro EU stance?

Many people might want to be rid of the Tories and to reverse Brexit… but only one of those things can be achieved in one day of voting… the other is a decade plus long project. I know you think otherwise. But Labour can’t make the claims that you do, they’d be pulled apart on them.

But Labour can’t make the claims that you do, they’d be pulled apart on them have to pander to the racists.

FTFY.

‘Pulled apart’ might suggest there is an argument to unpick. To any sane person, there isn’t if you are talking about the desirability of reversing all or some of Brexit.

I mean what would be involved, the path needed and the timescale required to “reverse Brexit” or join the CU&SM. It is a long slow journey, if Labour promised it as a quick and easy fix to the countries ills they’d be called out on it. And rightly so. Normalising and steadying the current relationship with the EU and other European countries is all that can be done this year and next. Promising anything else right now is a good way for minority parties to shore up their support… Labour would need a plan to make it happen though… what’s yours? How long would it take? Who would need to brought on board, and how?

Labour would need a plan to make it happen though… what’s yours?

Get elected, have piss up, open negotiations the next day.

I don’t have to pretend, though. 🤷‍♂️

Now it’s Biden stopping us getting all those Brexit goodies…

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1785104/biden-iain-duncan-smith-brexit-northern-ireland

IDS is a prime example of failing upwards, absolutely unbelievable that he is considered a grandee by anyone but then it is the Daily Express.

US sources have claimed to the Daily Express US that the President had received a special briefing after his Northern Ireland visit to say he had insulted America’s number one ally.

Why, what did he say about Saudi Arabia???

Daily Express headline today is demanding Rishi “talks up” Brexit.

Popcorn gifs at the ready.

There is Twitter gossip about the Tories not being happy with Sunak’s performance, and letters are coming in to the 1922 committee.

Daily Express is full of Thames Water sewage outfall. Brexit is dead and I’m sure even the Conservatives are not so stupid as to not know this. Their election woes are not going to be fixed with a few Brexit slogans.

Daily Express headline today is demanding Rishi “talks up” Brexit.

So what?

More lies about something that was a pack of lies to start with and has been a pack of lies ever since.

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We need more EU workers, admits leading Tory Brexiter

George Eustice, the former environment secretary, is calling for a reciprocal visa scheme so that under-35s can work across the EU and Britain

there is nothing to say to this but Duh!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/08/tory-brexiter-george-eustice-visas-young-eu-workers-labour-shortage

^^^^

It was never about reality.

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You couldn’t make this shit up, could you?

Right wing libertarians having buyer remorse?
I still think the whole brexit saga needs to be investigated as the outcome has done appalling damage to the UK triggered by ideology.

I still think the whole brexit saga needs to be investigated as the outcome has done appalling damage to the UK triggered by ideology.

I’m sure the damage they have done is so serious and long term that it could be considered treason.

And if it really was bankrolled by “Russia” and self interested fund managers, I’m not sure there could be any other description.

there is nothing to say to this but Duh!

Hang on.  I’m as remainer as anyone here, but in the spirit of fairness rather than just echo-chambering:  Brexiteers always wanted to be able to control immigration, not never to have any.  So a visa scheme, with limits that can be set and that can be targeted at certain parts of the workforce is not incompatible with the concept of Brexit and was in fact part of what they said they wanted during the campaign.

I’m not supporting it – I thought FoM was ace – but let’s be correct here.

A[part from the brexit ultras did say we didn’t need EU immigration and it was obvious we did

Brexiteers always wanted to be able to control immigration, not never to have any.

Well, this is the issue, we always had full control over immigration as EU members, we could kick out “wrong ‘uns” to are hearts content within the framework of EU law. Which UK was instumental in making, but hey.

Collectivley the UK for whatever reason decided it was too expensive to keep track of immigration, so opened the doors so to speak, and then blamed it on the EU.

An now, quel suprise we still have the same problem, only compounded because we’ve pissed off a lot of ‘would be’ highly skilled EU imigrants with bullshit visa requirements, and we still have loads of (arguably unlskilled and without paperwork) desperados in boats trying to get here.

It’s a very British problem if ever I saw one.

The idea that a govt ideologically wedded to the free market should be micromanaging details of the labour market such as how many fruit pickers we have is utterly batshit crazy.

I’m sure the damage they have done is so serious and long term that it could be considered treason.

To be honest I watched the News Agents on YouTube and the much missed from main TV Emily Maitlis, was making the same point. Worth a watch.

Brexiteers always wanted to be able to control immigration, not never to have any

No, it was never about “controlling immigration”. Brexiters used immigration as a dog-whistle issue to get people to vote for them. Having a go at dirty foreigners coming over here, taking our jobs, sponging off the benefits, all the usual nonsense rhetoric.

They’ve now painted themselves into a corner where they have to make good on all their nonsense promises, but there’s no way to do that which does not harm the country.

And once again we come back to ‘Which Brexit did you vote for?’.

Something that meant a lot of different things to a lot of different people.

And once again we come back to ‘Which Brexit did you vote for?’.

Well I voted for the status quo (not the band ovs – that would have been horrific).

And why would anyone from the EU want to come here now that Brexit has put up prices for food etc higher in the UK than mainland Europe?

And why would anyone from the EU want to come here now that Brexit has put up prices for food etc higher in the UK than mainland Europe?

It’s a very interesting question… maybe the people fleeing war and depravity are not aware of such knowledge?

They have clearly never been to Bridlington or Bury.

Or Nottingham.

No one in thier right mind, for example, would choose to live somewhere like Dewsbury.

So we have to ask ourselves why.

I’m sure the damage they have done is so serious and long term that it could be considered treason.

Particularly whilst being illegally funded by a hostile foreign government.

You have to hand it Putin – he totally undermined ‘western’ and European unity – and did so whilst spending very little.

A few bot farms, a bit of illegal funding and buying off a few right wing politicians. It is a quite remarkable achievement if you look at it in a detached manner.

<p style=”text-align: left;”>Just back from 2 months camping in Spain and France, prices in Spain are very similar to the UK, prices in France if anything are higher, diesal is more expensive than either Spain or the UK</p>

And why would anyone from the EU want to come here now that Brexit has put up prices for food etc higher in the UK than mainland Europe?

Stents lines have invested in a new ferry for Cherbourg Rosslare so EU mainland travellers can avoid UK completely travelling to Ireland and vice versa, a true Brexit bonus  for the people of Wales.

A lot of the freight from Ireland is now bypassing the uk.

George Eustice, the former environment secretary, is calling for a reciprocal visa scheme so that under-35s can work across the EU and Britain

Bit ageist 🙂

But it’s definitely bonkers wanting to offer something to the few after taking it away from everyone.

It would be a tangible Brexit benefit thou.

My daughter was working in Cherbourg. Ireland is the new England for holidays with kids, according to the other staff, despite England being so damn close. Bars sell (very good) Irish small brewery ales not British ones, etc. No idea if much trade is being redirected in the same way, but given how much of a ****** it is for SMEs here to send orders to the EU now, I wouldn’t be surprised.

But I thought they needed us more than we needed them?

It’s a very interesting question… maybe the people fleeing war and depravity are not aware of such knowledge?

I was referring to the brexiteers proposal that we now need a scheme to allow people to work  between UK & EU more freely.

Stents lines have…

Stenna Line

I’m going to go out on a limb here and have a wild stab at how this will probably play out

Due to labour shortages and pressure from their paymasters, the government will quietly but steadily increase both the numbers of visa’s for EU workers to come to the UK and broaden the categories covered.

There will however be no reciprocal arrangements with the EU, because why would they when they don’t need to?

The result? The UK will have voted to end freedom of movement for its own citizens but it will end up having zero effect on net immigration. And I’m not talking about small ****ing boats!

A really unique kind of stupid!