Cougar
Full Member

They don’t have to understand it. They have to want it. That’s why Remain failed in 2016, and why it’s still failing today.

OK yes I do agree but really, remain failed in 2016 because it was reality-based and was broadly a vote for what already existed., while brexit allowed people to vote for every possible brexit real, imagined or impossible and treated them all as a vote for the same thing. That’s all. There was a majority for all those brexits but never a majority for any one brexit, let alone any achievable brexit.

Some good news…

https://www.ft.com/content/0b6f751d-363b-424d-a452-7a235e13eb00

A total of 170 jobs are to be created in Northern Ireland by one of the world’s biggest packaging companies, the latest business seeking to exploit the region’s “best of both worlds” post-Brexit trading status.

Ardagh Metal Packaging on Friday announced plans to build a $200m beverage can plant near Belfast, from which drinks will be exported both to Britain and EU markets.

Ah but your forgetting the fantabulos Teeside freeport, that’s going to create 1800 jobs.

A true Brexit bonus that couldn’t be done without Brexit apparently 😉

Until Frosty kicks the EU in the bollocks Kelvin

A reminder that undoing the NIP without having a working alternative in place won’t just upset relationships with our immediate neighbours…

Today Republican Senator Pat Toomey and I sent a letter to British Prime Minister Boris Johnson expressing Congress's bipartisan concern that a failure to implement the Northern Ireland Protocols could compromise the Good Friday Agreement.https://t.co/rIQy1XtByB

— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) November 20, 2021

A UK visa scheme for prize-winning scientists has received no applications. https://t.co/VJd05UuJmy

— New Scientist (@newscientist) November 22, 2021

Read it yourself. No quote copied and pasted here to make it easy for you. I’m lazy. Not as lazy as our lackadaisical part time PM, with their obviously fake high energy and vim routine, but hey…

Forgive me. Forgive me. Forgive me.

Peppa pig world looks pretty good though

Ah but your forgetting the fantabulos Teeside freeport, that’s going to create 1800 jobs.

A true Brexit bonus that couldn’t be done without Brexit apparently 😉

Freeports, loved by folk who haven’t a clue about what they actually are, disingenuous Politicians and criminals.

verbal diarrhoea of optimism

Freeports, loved by folk who haven’t a clue about what they actually are, disingenuous Politicians and criminals.

And interestingly a thing we er already had whilst EU members but were so good that the Tories couldn’t be arsed to renew the licences in 2012.

There’s a new “government information” radio advert that uses a LBS owner as an example as to how the burden of red tape is about to go up yet again (thanks to Brexit). It’s another “get ready for it now, don’t wait” type advert. Sounds like the kind of thing that’ll get shop owners swearing at the radio.

Do we actually know what “it” is yet?

Do we actually know what “it” is yet?

doomanic
Full Member

Do we actually know what “it” is yet?

I loved the original “brexit is coming. Get ready” adverts for that. “You have 1 month to prepare. Don’t ask us what that means. Nobody actually knows. But if you’re not prepared it’s your fault”.

Fingerprinting Visitors to Europe – Rick Steves Travel Forum

and as eveyone knew what they were voting for, i don’t want to hear any complaints.

Brits travelling to the EU will be required to provide fingerprint and facial scans and pay to enter the bloc from May – London Business News | Londonlovesbusiness.com

I suppose it is worth pointing out the cluster**** that is coming in a few days

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/less-than-a-month-until-full-customs-controls-are-introduced

So far customs haven’t been done properly, as of jan 1st, with no capacity they are changing the system. Expect chaos.

^^ Yeah, nothing like getting rid of red tape is there?

as of jan 1st, with no capacity they are changing the system. Expect chaos.

they are supposed to be implement full checks from this date but I will bet it gets delayed and / or they simply ignore it given the total lack of ability to make the checks

Suddenly, preppers in the US are starting to look like they might be on to something.

they are supposed to be implement full checks from this date but I will bet it gets delayed and / or they simply ignore it given the total lack of ability to make the checks

It’s not even full checks, they still aren’t doing loads until, in theory, July. But, yes I tend to agree it’ll get delayed. Now be a business with no real idea of what is going on, must be wonderful.

What was the estimated number of customs personnel required? Was it 50k? Add that to 100k lorry drivers, 40k nurses, countless care workers, teachers, police, and social workers…

Was it 50k? Add that to 100k lorry drivers

It was 50k, you are correct. And if you add that level of cost to everything you get…. inflation.

Baking in inefficiency overpaying or over-resourcing unnecessarily just hits further down the line. Stupid and futile.

It’s here in handy pic form if anyone doesn’t ‘get it’…..

Inflation to ‘likely to exceed’ 5% by spring.

This is the beginning of the end for Brexit and the inevitable result of creating conditions where unskilled and semi-skilled jobs command unrealistically high salaries. Inbuilt inefficiency = Inflation = unsustainable.

It really just depends on how long it takes for the electorate to grow up sufficiently.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/dec/06/uk-inflation-likely-to-exceed-5-in-2022-says-bank-of-england

Errmmm- you mean where unskilled and semi skilled jobs command a wage you can live on?  We have had cheap labour for too long.  I do not believe Brexit was the needed tool for this but its one of its effects

Remember all those low wage jobs need topping up with benefits unless you are single and prepared to live in a dorm / shared room

the UK has been a low wage low tax economy for far too long.

would you graft for minimum wage?

Tj i am suprised by you response above, i assume you understand that the whole UK economy is geared to deliver based on the current minimum wage?

We have no significant industries or commerce that can sustain a higher wsge/low inflation economy- it would take decades of investment to achieve this (not to mention education)

Inflation is crippling to poorly paid people (not all are lorry drivers- think public sector) 10 years at 5% inflation is catastrophic for ordinary people.

Jam today, jam tomorrow is bollocks and i am a left leaning socialist, until we have a government and more importantly an investment culture that considers the well being of ordinary folks we will have to live with boom/bust.

Inflation causes revolution….

I agree with oldmanmtb. Simply increasing the wages of jobs isn’t going to produce the kind of economy we both want.

Wages can only increase sustainably with productivity, not due to labour scarcity.

The latter just drives an inflationary spiral.

I dont think ‘take home’ income would increase dramatically, as what are in effect government funded job subsidies (in work benefits) would end up being cut.

Tj i am suprised by you response above, i assume you understand that the whole UK economy is geared to deliver based on the current minimum wage?

Of course I understand that and IMO its just wrong.  We have a hugely unequal society in the UK far more so than most of Europe.  We have a huge amount of in work poverty.  We have a low taxation, we have low wages

Wages have been kept low for decades by having firstly a huge pool of unemployed and latterly also by importing cheap labour

this is unsustainable and causes great misery

Lets move our economy towards the nordic countries or Germany where taxes are higher, wages are much higher, the society is much less unequal and everyone is happier as a result.

To deny manual workers a fair wage stinks and causes huge social problems

I am not suprised by the attitudes shown in the few posts above mine but I am disgusted.  Keep the plebs down so I can have my second skiing trip of the year and my posh cars.  It stinks

this is unsustainable and causes great misery

It is clearly absolutely sustainable since it has been sustained for many decades if not centuries and shows no sign of changing any time soon. In fact people vote for it time and time again. I’ll agree with the second part of the sentence though.

Its unsustainable because it causes a downward social spiral and we are now reaping the rewards for the few decades of this – its only since the Thatcher years that our society has become more unequal in this way and over the last decade or so the social damage has become worse and worse and it is changing – thats the point.  We as a society can go with the change and make the best of it or we can rail against it and make life worse for people

The UK has appalling productivity in comparison to other similar economies, created in part by lack of investment in people, training and technology.
Government has been highly complicit due to a lack of a coherent industrial strategy in part due to a competitive dogma in the Treasury that meant everything is solely judged on price – unless of course, you’re mates with a Tory minister and you free access to the trough. Brexit has served to highlight these flaws – a lack of resilience in infrastructure, dependence on global supply chains and friction-free trade and access to cheap labour.
We also have an education system that has failed employers needs – churning out graduates in subjects no one wants who end up indebted with a loan they can never pay back.

because it causes a downward social spiral

Unsustainable means that it cannot continue like this – it doesn’t mean something that you don’t like. There is no reason that this can’t continue, right the way back to feudalism. The only thing that will stop it is a revolution – and we’re not very good at those in the UK.

causes great misery

It doesn’t matter what you think of it, what I think of it or what its victims think of it. If you make yourself less productive as a small player this is what happens. End of.

The sensible option is to remain part of a large bloc that is determined to preserve a standard of living against parts of the world that will work for a dollar a day. And has the necessary clout to actually do it. Kicking them in the balls and exposing yourself to the world ‘market’ unnecessarily just because you don’t like foreigners has the exact opposite effect.

It really just depends on how long it takes the clots who voted for this to realise it.

If labour costs rise, the solution is simply offshoring, automation, etc. Those low end, badly paid jobs exist largely because it has been easier to not invest. So where does that leave a badly educated non productive class of job seeker?

As for redistribution, voters keep on electing Tories, and doffing their caps to their betters. This has been the theme of the UK for centuries.

I am not suprised by the attitudes shown in the few posts above

Please understand that just because people are pointing out the situation we are in absolutely does not mean we’re endorsing it. This is very important.

Please understand that just because people are pointing out the situation we are in absolutely does not mean we’re endorsing it. This is very important.

100%

The only thing that will stop it is a revolution – and we’re not very good at those in the UK.

A good time to effectively outlaw protest, though, just in case. Especially when it starts to leak out how many billions you gave your mates last year for shonky PPE and the like.

“A bit bookish.”
“A nerd.”
“Speccy four-eyed ****”.

Has all that —^ been fixed yet, or are have we still got a massive cohort of happily thick bastards?

“Dont need school, gonna go work with me dad on the site.”

I dearly hope it’s changed since I was at school (year above Jesus, just after Moses left) otherwise I can’t see where the LoRa enabled unicorn is going to appear from.

Has all that —^ been fixed yet, or are have we still got a massive cohort of happily thick bastards?

A large scale opinion poll five and a bit years ago would say not.