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  • Brexit 2020+
  • dudeofdoom
    Full Member

    She has literally pushed for the obliteration of her own business.

    Its worse, she persuaded others to vote for something which would destroy businesses in the area..

    Looks like cod and chips is gonna get a price hake then.

    intheborders
    Free Member

    I just listened to JoB and June.

    What ‘spell’ is it that Johnson puts on folk, and do you need to be a particular type of person to fall for it?

    somafunk
    Full Member

    There is no “spell” as such, only thick as in shit for brains stupidity masquerading as the Brexit death cult.

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    onewheelgood
    Full Member

    What ‘spell’ is it that Johnson puts on folk, and do you need to be a particular type of person to fall for it?

    But June had fallen under Farage’s even more inexplicable spell long before she fell for Johnson.

    It can only be “shit for brains stupidity” combined with a large dose of selfishness and xenophobia.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    do you need to be a particular type of person to fall for it?

    Millions of people have, including highly experienced, worldly wise, well educated, intelligent political operators who have come to regret it. It absolutely isn’t just the stupid, or those blinded by over zealous loyalty to country and countryman. There are so many cracks opening up because of his lies though, and they all need prizing open… every one of them, to show everyone just how duplicitous and damaging he is. While people keep following him, and being accepting of him, the mess he will leave in his wake once he is gone will keep pilling up, and take much longer to undo that it took for him to create.

    dannyh
    Free Member

    It can only be “shit for brains stupidity” combined with a large dose of selfishness and xenophobia.

    That’s the basic explanation I keep coming back to for this ‘bit of a mess’.

    dannyh
    Free Member

    @kelvin

    You’re too charitable. You don’t have to be of even mediocre intelligence to realise that kicking your closest trading partners and allies in the balls is a bad idea.

    Poopscoop
    Full Member

    My take on this is that on many occasions people are more swayed by emotion than logic.

    When those emotions are stoked up fear, anger and intolerance etc it’s a powerful concoction.

    thepodge
    Free Member

    It can only be “shit for brains stupidity” combined with a large dose of selfishness and xenophobia.

    Overly simple answers to complex problems is exactly how we ended up in this position.

    somafunk
    Full Member

    nope, shit for brains stupidity is exactly why we are where we are

    dannyh
    Free Member

    Overly simple answers to complex problems is exactly how we ended up in this position.

    Maybe.

    Care to have a go at explaining it without invoking:

    a) Stupidity
    b) Gullibility
    c) Racism
    d) Xenophobia
    e) Any combination of the above

    ???

    dannyh
    Free Member

    nope, shit for brains stupidity is exactly why we are where we are

    100%

    I’ve given up expecting anyone who wanted this to realise, though.

    The only question of relevance now is how much economic and geopolitical damage ‘we’ can tolerate before we go cap in hand back to the EU.

    Or, more likely, take the weasely option and pay miles over the odds to go back into a few bits by stealth.

    Twattery. Pure and simple.

    dudeofdoom
    Full Member

    Twattery. Pure and simple.

    Some people will do anything to a get fancy wallpaper and a camouflaged sofa.

    As long as they aren’t picking up the tab.

    binners
    Full Member

    In more good Brexit news, Arlene Foster being given the boot marks the victory of the more hardline Unionists (by their standards, she’s actually regarded as a moderate).

    It’s the elections for the Northern Irish Assembly next year and if the hardline ‘no surrender’ unionists can get a majority they can vote to unilaterally void the Northern Ireland protocol. Another little gem of a clause that Boris and Lord Frost negotiated.

    That would spell the end of the GFA and unleash one almighty shitstorm, probably of the explodey variety

    The alternative outcome is that the unionist vote is split between the DUP and the more hardline unionist minority parties, which would deliver a majority for Sinn Fein who could then appoint a first minister who could then set an agenda for unification.

    Imagine how that’s going to go down with Boris and co in Westminster?

    Either way, things are about to get pretty bloody ‘lively’ in NI

    Brexit. The gift that just keeps giving.

    dannyh
    Free Member

    ^^^^

    There’s at least one more iteration of Brexity/extremist bellendery to come in terms of both the Prime Minister and DUP leadership. After that, who knows?

    The electorate grow up?

    We descend into some kind of failed state, extremist shithole*.

    *More than ‘we’ are now, that is.

    dannyh
    Free Member

    Imagine how that’s going to go down with Boris and co in Westminster?

    I doubt very much he gives a shit any more. He knows he is going to go down in history as the shambling conman who sold his country down the river and restarted civil war in NI.

    Unless he really is utterly bereft of any brain cells, he ‘should’ be in full ’empty the till, burn the place down and try to claim on the insurance’ mode. The only thing he has ever shown any ability/diligence at has been self-promotion.

    GEDA
    Free Member

    What about another approach? Brexit was sold as bringing back sovereignty, removing corrupt Brussels bureaucrats, global Britain. What the tories are giving us is corruption, basket case Britain and the breakup of the UK. Isn’t this an open goal?

    dannyh
    Free Member

    Isn’t this an open goal?

    Depends on how highly you rate the intelligence of the electorate.

    onewheelgood
    Full Member

    Depends on how highly you rate the intelligence of the electorate.

    This. Starmer is frightened to shoot at that open goal because a majority of his potential voters still think Brexit is a great idea. Criticising it is though to be electorally dangerous.

    GEDA
    Free Member

    They don’t need to criticise Brexit. They need to criticise the tories for doing the opposite of what they promised Brexit was going to deliver

    dannyh
    Free Member

    They don’t need to criticise Brexit. They need to criticise the tories for doing the opposite of what they promised Brexit was going to deliver

    Most people haven’t felt any effects yet. People that vote for the likes of Johnson don’t give a **** about anyone but themselves and those close to them.

    Northwind
    Full Member

    onewheelgood
    Full Member

    This. Starmer is frightened to shoot at that open goal because a majority of his potential voters still think Brexit is a great idea. Criticising it is though to be electorally dangerous.

    Which is nonsense, of course- you can say “boris johnston’s terrible brexit deal is causing this” without saying “brexit is bad”. Of course brexit is bad and of course Starmer thinks brexit is bad and that does make it trickier but he can’t just avoid the whole b-word. Even the biggest brexiteer can still be convinced that there are individual parts of it that are bad. Or, with a little luck, that the glorious brexit that they expected is being undermined by things that Johnston and his idiots have done.

    Shackleton
    Full Member

    Most people haven’t felt any effects yet. People that vote for the likes of Johnson don’t give a **** about anyone but themselves.

    Ftfy. Yet to meet someone who admits to voting tory and has a sense of community that extends further than their own skin.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Nah, I know community minded people who vote Tory, and voted Brexit… they just think it can be all done on an adhoc basis between people, without national government help, or cooperation between nations. How they can still think that after the last 12 months I don’t know, but that idea runs deep in a lot of people.

    kimbers
    Full Member

    Be interesting to see how locals play out in fishing communities

    Poopscoop
    Full Member

    Yes, could be a good predictor for when Brexits real fallout hits all the other areas of the country.

    I suspect Covid will take the heat for much of that for many years to come though. The next decade won’t be pretty.

    Del
    Full Member

    The joy of it of course is that Johnson will do his time, the shit will hit the fan in a very slow motion way, individual sections of society will find themselves on their arses at different times, and when it gets really bad the 1922 lot will be able to point at Johnson as a scapegoat. ‘we never wanted it to be like this – this isn’t the Brexit any of us voted for!’ Gaslight the whole country. Again.

    Hey ho. Of course Labour have been complicit in it all but they just have to hope that they can get more of it to stick to the Tories come the next election.

    piemonster
    Full Member

    Overly simple answers to complex problems is exactly how we ended up in this position.

    No that’s not correct.

    Brexit was sold as a simple solution to a complex problem that primarily was not the fault of EU membership.

    Pointing out that Brexiteers (allegedly) have shit for brains is an observation,  not a solution.

    dannyh
    Free Member

    Pointing out that Brexiteers (allegedly) have shit for brains is an observation, not a solution.

    There’s only two types of people that genuinely think Brexit is a good idea:

    1. People who are using it to gain personally – either financially or politically.

    2. People with shit for brains.

    whitestone
    Free Member

    @dannyh – I object to your second category! Shit has a practical use (just not between people’s ears)

    dannyh
    Free Member

    Shit has a practical use (just not between people’s ears)

    Shit is very fertile. You just plant a seed and off you go. Dominic Cummings realised this.

    oldmanmtb2
    Free Member

    Pointed this out a few times, most brexity folks have seen no change to their personal circumstances…

    In the shadow of covid which has changed many folks personal circumstances Brexit is fine.

    Many people view no change as a victory, people in my family included.

    Those who are suffering (Fishing, importers, exporters and people with expensive hobbies ahem!) Are numerically tiny and will not swing an election.

    Hartlepool is your metric…. Boris is bullet proof with these folks.

    I know people who have had their business disappear overnight, but in the grand scheme they are not even collateral damage.

    Good old Joseph Stalin understood the “electorate” better than any modern politician as he said the death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic and no one cares about statistics. By the way Cummins is a big fan of Stalins thinking.

    oldmanmtb2
    Free Member

    The Conservative Party is not a party but a conspiracy … the great vested interests handed together in a formidable federation; corruption at home, aggression to cover it up abroad, the trickery of tariff juggles, the tyranny of a party machine, sentiment by the bucketful, patriotism by the imperial pint, the open hand at the public Exchequer.

    Billy Blyton- a proper Labour Lion.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    It’s an open goal, the problem is that the ball is a balloon. You can strike hard and accurately but it won’t go in.

    In other words, you can point out how stupid Brexit is and how corrupt and clueless the Tories are til you’re blue in the face, but people just aren’t listening.

    kimbers
    Full Member

    Excellent thread here

    Edukator
    Free Member

    Those with long memories may remember me ordering a Brompton at the end of March. 😉 It’s here! waiting to be picked up from the shop in Bayonne. 🙂 The UPS tracking runs to 27 lines. The poor people at Brompton have spent (wasted) I don’t know how much time chasing and waded through I don’t know how much paperwork for one bike. Thanks if anyone from Brompton is on the forum.

    I’m not sure “happy birthday” is appropriate but at wave at those in NI remembering 1921.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Good news! And sounds familiar. Tracing the path of orders crossing UK borders these days is depressing. Not least for the energy wasted on the journey. Not exactly green.

    dudeofdoom
    Full Member

    Well at least we beat the EU to a trade deal with India, we showed them pesky foreign blighters.

    intheborders
    Free Member

    Or, more likely, take the weasely option and pay miles over the odds to go back into a few bits by stealth.

    Kinda like Norway then. The people voted to not be in but their leaders knew that Norway would benefit, so they paid more per capita for their ‘part-membership’ than the UK paid for our full-membership (and opt-outs).

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