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  • dannyh
    Free Member

    To turn it back around, do you genuinely not yet realise that many didn’t care about the window-dressing and lies of the Leave opportunists? They just wanted less ‘foreigners’ living in England. Even if it was just the perception of it. Whatever the costs for that would have been (in their eyes) worth it (?)

    But thatscold is now trotting out the usual shite about a vengeful EU being beastly to us and a wonderful deal being possible…..

    If he just came out and said he doesn’t like foreigners and is willing to torpedo our own economy to satisfy this prejudice I would, in a weird sort of way, perhaps respect the honesty.

    But regurgitating crap from the Mail/Express/Telegraph with apparent credulity just makes me shake my head and shrug.

    Edukator
    Free Member

    Without wishing to derail this thread with Covid, Brexit looks like being a significant brake on post-Covid economic recovery due to an irreversible Brexit/Covid “exodus”.

    You’ve probably all seen this:

    https://www.ft.com/content/def33cfe-45c7-4323-bd08-d4fc42051f09

    A couple of lines therein present the problem. Foreigners have left The UK in droves, 1.3 million in the year up to last Summer, and they’ve continued to leave as the Covid lockdowns have ended their jobs. Even if EU citizens would like to return to the UK post Covid they’ve lost their settled status and will have to go through the whole third country process and get a visa. Given the type of jobs many occupied that’s unlikely to be possible or viable even if it is.

    So as the locked down sectors unlock they’re going to be faced with staff shortages, that’s going to put a brake on recovery. There’s going to be a shortage of single, highly mobile, hard working people happy to work for a subsistance income in lousy accomodation just to live the UK experience.

    Junior is in a French institution with many young people who historically would have been keen to work/study in the UK. In our most recent discussion on friends’ plans none of his contemporaries have plans to either work or study in the UK. Berlin is the new London with several having plans to move there if they haven’t already, Latin America also attracts, and Spain… .

    It’ll be fascinating to compare the post Covid recoveries around Europe and in the UK.

    Sandwich
    Full Member

     They just wanted less ‘foreigners’ living in England.

    Using that language form as an excuse? Fewer man, fewer. Are you even English?

    #satireisdead

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    Poopscoop
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    Edukator

    It’ll be fascinating to compare the post Covid recoveries around Europe and in the UK.

    Oh yes. Our current lead in vaccinations is a short term plus. I’m not negating the huge debt we owe to the NHS and the volunteers that made/are making this happen by the way! My God, quite the opposite. However, soon things will move on to economies around the world recovering from this storm. That’s when our lead in vaccines will soon be forgotten and we will be forever playing catchup. The EU will rebuild, the UK will be watching from the sidelines.

    We are the only economy dealing with Covid recovery and a national self harm psychosis at the same time. It’s going to be nasty once the UK is taken off the furlough life support drip.

    FB-ATB
    Full Member

    @p7eaven
    Of course immigration fell after 2016 they didn’t know if they’d be allowed to stay. I used to work for a company that had 2 production facilities on 1 site. One was mainly staffed by Poles, the other locals. Guess which had the better output and people eager to work overtime if demand was there? One of the Polish guys nail gunned his hand to a timber beam. Got a mate to take the nail out, taped his hand up, carried on his shift and only went to hospital after work. Any of the locals will be off sick for the merest scratch and calling for compo.
    “The immigrants” aren’t taking jobs, the locals are too damn lazy to look. The business lost loads of staff as they felt they weren’t wanted and productivity suffered. Quite ironic as the company owner was a leaver and wondered why they were all going home and it had a negative effect on the company.

    p7eaven
    Free Member

    Using that language form as an excuse? Fewer man, fewer. Are you even English?

    Maybe you need to spend some time on the (English) Talk Radio Brexit comment threads 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

    Get a feel for proper English, not your champagne libtard socialist globalist fake talk. Reform UK will sort you Beeb-lipped Bolsheviks out.

    Less immigrants = more Proper British. Less immigrants means more jobs. Maybe you should learn the difference between ‘less’ and ‘more’? Leave still means leave, just in case you wish to quibble that also.

    #parodyindecline

    marmaduked
    Free Member

    You guys realise it’s only been 7 weeks since Brexit happened and we’re in the midst of a global pandemic?

    Whipping yourselves into a frenzy and trying really, really, really hard to blame everything that’s wrong in life on the referendum result…

    Time to get out and get some fresh air. Maybe ride some bikes!

    FB-ATB
    Full Member

    proper English

    Proper British.

    Make your mind up are you a German immigrant or native Briton?

    tjagain
    Full Member

    Are you for real? Have you got your head in the sand?

    The huge damage to this county that was foretold in project fear is coming true – pretty much all of it

    p7eaven
    Free Member

    You guys realise it’s only been 7 weeks since Brexit happened and we’re in the midst of a global pandemic?

    Different thread. Different shit. Same Govt. (Same shits)

    proper English

    Proper British.

    Make your mind up are you a German immigrant or native Briton?

    You think that ‘British’ is a language? You speak ‘proper British?’ Novel.

    You think that only English people voted for Brexit. Or British people?

    Must try harder.

    #fullfatpoeslaw

    kelvin
    Full Member

    You guys realise it’s only been 7 weeks since Brexit happened and we’re in the midst of a global pandemic?

    Here is your reminder that our government (and official opposition) knew we were in the middle of global pandemic, yet refused to even entertain the idea of extending the transition period so that we (UK and EU) could concentrate on one problem at a time. Led by donkeys.

    Cougar
    Full Member

    I feel sorry for these people and anyone in hardship as a result of COVID or Brexit.

    Don’t conflate these things. They aren’t the same and it’s a deliberate misdirection to suggest otherwise.

    The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal,

    The loss of this trade is due to brexit. Period. No ifs, no buts, no The Big Boy Did It And Ran Away.

    If you can describe how a better outcome might’ve been negotiated, we’re all ears. You’ve got a blank canvas and an open mic, go. How would you have done it differently? Tell us what your good deal looks like.

    Cos the last I heard, your lot didn’t want one. You were all barking for far worse than what we eventually got, “no deal is better than a bad deal” remember? You were crowing for more loss of trade, because that’s seemingly better, somehow. They need us more than we need them, or something. That’s working out well, isn’t it.

    and vindictive behaviour of the EU.

    You can’t hand in your gym membership and then still expect to use the treadmill on Tuesdays when it’s quiet. That’s not the gym being vindictive, that’s protecting their paying members who would otherwise go “wait, why are we paying for gym membership when these guys can use our facilities for free?”

    The EU has been very clear, open and consistent throughout this process. It is very, very well documented. If you believe they’ve been vindictive then please tell us in what way they’ve been so.

    finishthat
    Free Member

    Boris was in such a hurry to get it done almost nothing was checked or negotiated.

    One glaring example that will see more publicity is that EU citizens can “visit ” the UK for 6 months , but UK citizens can only “visit” the EU for 3 months before needing a visa.
    What kind of a deal is that?? its half the time – who worked on that gem of a deal??

    deadlydarcy
    Free Member

    If you believe they’ve been vindictive then please tell us in what way they’ve been so.

    Well, the German car manufacturers didn’t make Merkel make Macron make Barnier make VanDerLie-in give us everything we wanted at the last minute. And that’s because they lost the war. Pure and utter vindiction.

    thatscold
    Free Member

    Perhaps I owe you all an apology. It seems whilst I was enjoying my Saturday evening eating a nice dinner with my wife and watching a movie. You have spent your time working yourselves into some sort of frenzied furious typing away on a mounting bike forum thread in the deluded sense that your words are somehow making a difference?

    I’m sorry to break it to you but you are never getting that time back…

    Feel free to selectively quote my posts if that makes you feel better.

    piemonster
    Full Member

    One glaring example that will see more publicity is that EU citizens can “visit ” the UK for 6 months , but UK citizens can only “visit” the EU for 3 months before needing a visa.

    Depends on the details surely. Having a more generous “visitor” arrangement may actually be a benefit.

    p7eaven
    Free Member

    Perhaps I owe you all an apology. It seems whilst I was enjoying my Saturday evening eating a nice dinner with my wife and watching a movie. You have spent your time working yourselves into some sort of frenzied furious typing away on a mounting bike forum

    100% Poe/troll. Well played.

    Edukator
    Free Member

    On the EU side nothing has changed on the three months “visit” (as opposed to work), it’s only what happens after three months that’s changed. Taking the French example: before Brexit people had to formalise their presence after three months, it’s just that there was a right to stay beyond three months if you could fulfil some basic conditions of resources, you now need to ask nicely but if you do you can stay up to six months:

    https://www.demarches.interieur.gouv.fr/particuliers/visa-long-sejour-sejour-mois-an

    The six months on both sides is no doubt hoped to generate income and limit damage to businesses dependant on longer stay visitors.

    If you’re rich enough (or a priest/Iman/religious bod) you can get a long stay visa for France, you’d be surprised at how much Russian is spoken in Biaritz, or maybe you wouldn’t. The conditions aren’t cleary laid out, it’s case by case, the main one in reality is the ability to spend lots of money.

    See Faarage up here, his wife can legally set up in France and Farrage as her husband would fulfil the conditions for a visa. How many of those who voted for him are in that happy position? He’s retained freedom of movement for himself having denied to the vast majority of his supporters. I can’t think af any of the Leave team who couldn’t live permanently in France if they so wish, but you?

    On thing that does delight me is the way the Irish community which has been the butt of jokes and discrimination in the UK for centuries is now in the happy position of retaining EU privileges.

    p7eaven
    Free Member

    But thatscold is now trotting out the usual shite about a vengeful EU being beastly to us and a wonderful deal being possible…..

    If he just came out and said he doesn’t like foreigners

    He did, to be fair

    But he’s merely trolling you between dinners, whilst grinning wistfully in the gratifying knowledge that you all neither eat, watch films, nor have a significant other with whom to chortle at the silly frenzied mounting* bikers.

    I do find poe/satire-trolling a bit weird tbh. I sometimes do it myself, yet openly admit that it has limited appeal. Existential humour is (IME) often a weird sort of coping mechanism. But I do realise that trolling has many other possible motivations, and assuming makes asses etc.

    *tipped hand 😉

    DrJ
    Full Member

    Well, the German car manufacturers didn’t make Merkel make Macron make Barnier make VanDerLie-in give us everything we wanted at the last minute. And that’s because they lost the war. Pure and utter vindiction.

    World Cup, man, don’t forget the World Cup. They are still sore that we won it.

    dannyh
    Free Member

    I’m sorry to break it to you but you are never getting that time back…

    I view a few seconds spent typing ‘knuckle dragging halfwits obsessed with immigration’ and thinking of you as quite enjoyable, actually. So no worries there.

    Hope you enjoyed your dinner – it won’t be long before it costs you a significant amount more and any meat is pumped full of additives.

    I assume it was something patriotic you had – meat and two veg and none of that foreign muck?

    Today will be spent doing a little bit of bike maintenance, dropping some birthday presents off to my nieces and then having a lovely sunday dinner with my wife and two children. We all have our own lives, chap, it is just that some of us can go to bed each night safe in the knowledge that we are right.

    You lost when you ‘won’. You still think you ‘won’. I pity you.

    p7eaven
    Free Member

    You lost when you ‘won’. You still think you ‘won’. I pity you.

    Again, he’s just trolling you. He got all the attention and engaged none of the arguments. First rule of trolling.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal

    Yeah but a good deal was never really possible. This is the mistake Brexiteers made all along.

    dudeofdoom
    Full Member

    Again, he’s just trolling you. He got all the attention and engaged none of the arguments. First rule of trolling.

    Well we do seem to get more trolls than any tangible benefit of Brexit or the rules that they were so against that now don’t apply 🙂

    Anyway fire up the patriotic music

    (Reuters) – Britain could restrict imports of European mineral water and several food products under retaliatory measures being considered by ministers over Brussels’ refusal to end its blockade on British shellfish, the Telegraph reported.

    We’re going to water war against the ‘blockade’

    teethgrinder
    Full Member

    Tangible benefits seem to apply to EU nationals in EU countries, thanks to the totally not moronic, or racist, or spiteful etc intentions of the brexit voters.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/21/sussex-medicines-firm-takes-production-line-abroad-white-van-beat-brexit-ban

    p7eaven
    Free Member

    This is the mistake Brexiteers made all along.

    They didn’t want a bloody deal! They wanted OUT! Blue passports. Drawbridge raised.

    They* wanted fewer foreigners and to ‘own’ the remainers. End of. IIRC ‘no deal’ was bandied around as the best of all ‘deals’. Almost as a mark of defiance/declaration of FU.

    At whatever the cost. That’s no ‘mistake’. They got what they wanted. Any hardship would be worth seeing Ondrej and family down the road pack their bags and **** off back to Foreignistan. They also don’t have to worry about bananas and toasters any more.

    *Unless you mean the opportunistic Brexiteers? The ones instrumental/cashing in on the self-appointed crisis? They too got what they wanted. They’ll be buggering off to South of France or Malta etc soon-enough if not already. Fauxrage for instance is already milking it by the increased trust his part in Brexit has built in GB’s OAPs/the faithful. The word ‘Great’ is a particular device.

    dannyh
    Free Member

    Again, he’s just trolling you. He got all the attention and engaged none of the arguments. First rule of trolling.

    I couldn’t give a toss either way.

    Trolling = sad troll who hasn’t got enough going on in their life.

    Genuine = sad, deluded, cheated, resentful person who looks daft to anyone with an objective view.

    It’s a lose-lose from thatscold’s side…

    dannyh
    Free Member

    Re the Sussex medicines story above, it would be poetic if the white van involved was driven by a Brexity type.

    I can see him now, red faced, shouting at the departing company “yeah, get lost, bloody foreigners anyway, we don’t need your sort here”.

    Then realising 30 seconds later they’ve made up more than 50% of his work in the last five years.

    Probably didn’t happen like that, but it is amusing to speculate.

    dannyh
    Free Member

    We’re going to water war against the ‘blockade’

    I’m sure those dastardly continentals will be flying the white flag pretty soon. I mean, there is no possible way around this other than…… turning on the tap and drinking the water from there.

    There’ll always be an England etc…..

    Sandwich
    Full Member

    Maybe you need to spend some time on the (English) Talk Radio Brexit comment threads

    Can I stick hot pins in my eyeballs instead? That will be far less painful and just as useful!

    Well we do seem to get more trolls

    A Brexit Benefit, they are outing themselves for the big cull.

    dannyh
    Free Member

    My apologies – I misread the mineral water story as being the UK refusing to export rather than import.

    Oh well, council pop from now on.

    zippykona
    Full Member

    Our friend is a hard worker in the cleaning industry. Years of breathing in fumes has damaged her lungs and physically she is shot. In recent years she has taken to selling handbags on eBay and had a good trade selling ones from Italy. She was able to scale back on the cleaning.
    This has now had to stop and she is having to ramp up the cleaning with all the health implications.
    She voted leave.

    teethgrinder
    Full Member

    Shame…

    zippykona
    Full Member

    Shame…

    A tiny bit of me wants to gloat but she is such a lovely ,hard working person I just feel sad for her.
    She lives in Cornwal. Her husband was the one that informed me that all the Cornish fish had to go to a central EU fish market and then be sold back to us.
    She could probably go on the sick but she has never had a hand out in her life.
    Don’t die of ignorance. Plenty will.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    That is shitty. It is small specialist sellers that will be hit hardest… many will stop or just pay more to fulfilment specialists here or abroad and have even tighter margins.

    dannyh
    Free Member

    A tiny bit of me wants to gloat but she is such a lovely ,hard working person I just feel sad for her.

    What on earth possessed her to vote leave?

    It is possible to have sympathy on an individual level, particularly if she admits the error. But she did get what she voted for. This is not a vindictive statement, just a fact.

    somafunk
    Full Member

    No sympathy from me in the slightest, or to put it another way….**** her, I’ll save my sympathy for those who voted remain, like my mate who is about to lose his fishing boat, his house and end up £400k in debt due to the whims and utter ignorance of others.

    dannyh
    Free Member

    *** her

    She already did. To herself. I doubt anything anyone says will make it any better or worse.

    If she was still giving it the big’uns about ‘winning’ then sticking the boot in would be entirely appropriate. If she has realised the error and acknowledges it, then it really just comes down to a shrug of the shoulders.

    🤷‍♂️

    Edit: But it is worth saying that I do have lots of sympathy for the bloke who is going to lose everything and didn’t vote for this shitshow.

    p7eaven
    Free Member

    She could probably go on the sick but she has never had a hand out in her life.

    Is that what she pays National Insurance contributions for her whole working life, just to call the scheme a ‘handout’ if she qualifies for benefits?

    ‘Our employer poisoned us by cutting costs, we have insurance but don’t use it. It’s a matter of pride/only scummy people use it’ ?

    Does she also refuse National Health care/services?

    Maybe that’s one of the reasons why she voted out? Ideologically? To try and move another step closer to a more privatised US-style existence, where workers are often and easily walking the tightrope of being one pay-cheque/one illness from homeless or losing everything to a bad health-insurance deal?

    Maybe have a whip around, raise a couple of hundred so she can invest in Wetherspoons? Just don’t call it a ‘handout’. In fact, Nigey-babes will no doubt gladly accept that couple of hundred in return for granting her access to his Great British Freedom For The Fortunate Scheme Thing – and if anyone knows how to come out of all this still smelling of moolah then it must certainly be Nige.

    dannyh
    Free Member

    I don’t think the amount of ‘good’ in the world goes up as a result of sticking the boot into someone who already admits they ****ed up voting Leave. My feelings are basically just neutral towards people like this – all I can muster is a shrug.

    My mum voted Leave. Some crap about too much immigration leading to a civil war at some point. I asked what on earth she was on about and she couldn’t answer. She has apologised twice since, saying how much she regrets voting Leave. I have just said on both occasions that it is too late to have regrets and I’d rather not talk about it because if I did we probably wouldn’t speak ever again. The subject is just closed – I won’t be the one to open it up again. If she had gone down the ‘I won, you lost’ route I doubt we would have spoken since.

    She did also say before Johnson got the leadership of the Tories that if he did get it, it would ‘be the end of the Conservative Party’. I just told her that it had already ended and been taken over by a English nationalist cabal, but not enough people had noticed. We don’t talk politics at all nowadays.

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