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  • Bought a cracked frame from STW classifieds
  • Premier Icon wwaswas
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    I still can’t grasp how the seller stripped a frame and missed that

    because they left the BB in and didn’t take the paint off the frame?

    Now some people are suggesting that the BB was left in deliberately but we don’t know that.

    iolo
    Member

    Why does the OP call this thread “Bought a cracked frame on STW classifieds. “

    He didn’t. He bought it on pinkbike.
    If he can’t get that fact right what else can we believe?

    Premier Icon Drac
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    If he can’t get that fact right what else can we believe?

    Humble pie.

    http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/lapierre-zesty-frame-only-need-gone

    iolo
    Member

    Ok. But the op referenced pinkbike in this thread.

    ScottChegg
    Member

    it wasn’t sold as seen, it was sold as not having cracks in it

    It was sold as seen. No warranty was express or implied. If it had fallen to pieces in the car on the way home you would be stuffed. The fact you bashed a BB out and stripped it of paint means you are well and truly stuffed.

    You had the chance to inspect it and walk away. You didn’t. Better luck next time.

    Junkyard
    Member

    It was sold as seen with the seller stating clearly it had no cracks

    FinishedTFY

    I doubt there will be much comeback but the claim it was not cracked is untrue

    I cannot say yes the tv works its fine and sell it as seen. If it has no inards I can hardly then blame them for not taking it apart and testing every electronic component

    It depends and as usual STW wont do nuance and need sit black and white

    the claim no cracks gives some hope but the seller turned up in person and purchased so this weakens the case

    ScottChegg
    Member

    It’s always easier to blame someone else than to sit down and have a good look at what you did.

    In this case it’s that the frame was not inspected properly. If it was a nearly new frame you’d give it a cursory glance. Something that has been shagged smooth needs a good going over.

    joefm
    Member

    Why did you not see that crack? It would have been visible through the paint at that size.

    How did you remove the bb?

    Premier Icon dannybgoode
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    @JY – Not quite correct in this case.

    Seller sold frame as having no cracks (we do not know exactly how this was phrased) and buyer goes to collect, inspects and agrees no cracks pays money, takes bike.

    Buyer gets bike home, knocks out press fit BB and has frame stripped for a repaint and sees crack in frame.

    Where is the concrete evidence that the seller lied.

    They may have lied, they may honestly described the frame not being aware of the defect or the frame may have been absolutely as described and it has been damaged when in the custody of the buyer.

    As others have said have the buyer got home and seen the crack and contacted the seller straight away they would be in a stronger position but with the work they have carried out how can they prove that the damage was not caused by them?

    Scenario – you sell some forks and advertise them as no scratches on the stanchions. You have cared for them well, you have never seen any scratches on the stanchions. You even have a good look around them before shipping them and nothing.

    The buyer contacts you and says excuse me, these forks are scratched to buggery, marks all over the stanchions. You say eh, no not those forks. The buyer responds – definitely there mate. Noticed them when I stripped them down to service them.

    What would your response be?

    I’m going to give the seller a call after work and see what he says.

    He has agreed that the crack was there before he sold it to me (after seeing the stress cracks), and that he should have properly cleaned the bike up and given it a propper looking over before I came to pick it up.

    I should have spotted it before picking up and stripping the paint, my mistake.

    iolo
    Member

    So you haven’t spoken to him about this yet?
    What kind of crazy guy are you?
    It’s far easier to give him a slagging on the internet isn’t it.
    He has told you you get a refund. What is the problem? Why are we even discussing this? Are you that bloke who set up the antisuperstarcomonents.com website?

    Junkyard
    Member

    hese forks are scratched to buggery, marks all over the stanchions. You say eh, no not those forks. The buyer responds – definitely there mate. Noticed them when I stripped them down to service them.

    What would your response be?
    apologise, say i was unaware then negotiate a discount or refund just as i would if i sold a cracked frame that I was unaware of.

    xiphon
    Member

    So you haven’t called the seller yet?

    I’d be surprised if he doesn’t tell you to shove the refund where the sun doesn’t shine after this thread!

    I’ve only been in contact through text’s (which he now ignore’s). Like I said I will give him a call tonight to try and speak to him and sort this out, hardly slagging him off to the internet 😕

    I only started this after 6 weeks of waiting for the refund he said he would give me.

    nealglover
    Member

    So you haven’t spoken to him about this yet?
    What kind of crazy guy are you?
    It’s far easier to give him a slagging on the internet isn’t it.
    He has told you you get a refund. What is the problem? Why are we even discussing this? Are you that bloke who set up the antisuperstarcomonents.com website?

    Have you even bothered to read this thread or did you just join in at the end ??

    neal – He’s been in the thread right from the start of it, I think he just failed to take most of it in…

    Premier Icon edd
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    After stripping the paint and removing the BB I noticed a crack in the BB shell that I couldn’t see while it was still painted.

    This quote is from the opening post. I still don’t understand how people are expecting the seller to have known about the crack if it took the removal of the BB and stripping the paint to find it.

    Its not that it wasn’t visable, its just that I didn’t spot it at the time before stripping the paint.

    I didn’t word it well, but I can’t edit the post now 😳

    iolo
    Member

    I’ve taken it all in. I cannot see how this could be any fault of the seller. The op has been in communication with text. Hasnt called to speak. I can imagine the seller got a bit peeved. The buyer osted on here to cry about his loss and get a bit of sympathy. Didnt get it. Please feel free to change any of this if untrue.

    mikey3
    Member

    If u didn’t spot it how do you know it was visible? ,not being funny tho,i would be a bit miffed too if I were you.

    mikey3, I guess you would have seen the split on the edge of the BB shell, if not the whole crack.

    It was easy to miss picking the frame up though, which is why I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

    Just tried to call him now, call declined after a couple of rings so have left him a message to give me a call to sort this out.

    nealglover
    Member

    I’ve taken it all in. I cannot see how this could be any fault of the seller. The op has been in communication with text. Hasnt called to speak. I can imagine the seller got a bit peeved. The buyer osted on here to cry about his loss and get a bit of sympathy. Didnt get it. Please feel free to change any of this if untrue.

    You probably believe that’s the situation.
    That’s the main thing.

    iolo
    Member

    Is there another version I missed?

    Premier Icon DezB
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    he had his LBS fit the BB because he didn’t have the correct tools and they never mentioned anything to him

    Likely ?

    nealglover
    Member

    Is there another version I missed?

    Well, you missed …..

    All the reasons why it’s unlikely the seller didn’t know about the crack.
    The fact that it was specifically described as not having any cracks.
    The seller promising a refund and then failing to provide one.

    And despite saying he didn’t get any, you also missed all the sympathy that the buyer has got from people agreeing with him.

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    Could we not just have a whip round?

    I’d put in a £1 if it meant this thread died a long overdue death.

    Premier Icon dannybgoode
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    Could we not put the matter before the STW kangaroo court and let the jury decide.

    Bit like Judge Judy – we can then all arbitrate on any grievances between buyers and sellers and decisions will be binding (as opposed to the current position where we all arbitrate but the decisions and comments mean **** all?)

    Whether a consensus would ever be met on any given case is unlikely but we could go with a majority decision.

    Cheers

    Danny B

    dooosuk
    Member

    The fact that it was specifically described as not having any cracks.

    I must of missed something…neither the advert on STW or the one of Pinkbike explicitly states no cracks.

    hora
    Member

    On reflection- the crack. Does it sit ‘under’ the swing arm?

    See the bolt through body on the swing arm? It looks like the swing arm may obscure the cracked BB.

    Possible?

    Premier Icon ton
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    just go round and tw*t the bloke……bit of self satisfaction goes a long way….. 😀

    [downwiththehipkids] Can I be the first to suggest that you shit down his chimney [/downwiththehipkids]

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    [downwiththehipkids] Can I be the first to suggest that you shit down his chimney [/downwiththehipkids]

    Word!

    (*hopes he got it right*)

    nealglover
    Member

    I must of missed something…neither the advert on STW or the one of Pinkbike explicitly states no cracks.

    You did miss something yes 😉

    Image halfway down page one.

    High fives wwaswas

    Hora, yep the crack would have been hidden slightly by the swingarm.

    I’m too far away to shit down his chimney unfortunately, I started the thread hoping someone would do it on my behalf? 😆

    davidtaylforth will, he’s got previous for it

    I’ve got a reply back! He is going to get back to me after work this evening.

    mudsux
    Member

    Take it to a small claims court.

    From what I have seen of communications with the seller – it looks like the goods do not match their description. ie. No cracks.
    You have asked for a refund within a reasonable time frame of having had the item in your possession. Your next step really is a small claims court.

    Bol. tonight.

    Premier Icon convert
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    Take it to a small claims court.

    He wouldn’t stand a hope in hell.

    He bought it, then drifted out the BB bearings (and stripped the paint). The seller could quite reasonably claim that the frame was fine when it left his possession (as evidenced by the buyer picking up in person, having a chance inspect and reject) and has been damaged by some ham fisted spannering. This could even be true! The buyer did not realise there was a problem until after the BB was out – could you have done the damage OP?

    The seller could reasonably claim his original offer was in hast until he thought through the possibility of buyer inflicted damage.

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