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  • Boris Johnson!
  • dudeofdoom
    Full Member

    I think the speed of Truss’s downfall was just so unexpectedly rapid that it didn’t really give Johnson the time to get over the current investigation and allow enough time for the public to forget his sins.

    I’d wait till the spring to start gauging the possibility of a BJ return.

    I just don’t think an unelected Oligarch telling people how they have to cut costs is going to work for them after a grim winter, but the clown offering up more positive dreams may(it worked before).

    Rushi also got a ticket for partying and the missus did manage to avoid 20m of tax before they got caught out.

    ernielynch
    Free Member

    Most said it was between 50 and 80.

    Every political reporter/news provider who has commented on the issue has said that they didn’t know. And why would they?

    IIRC only half of Tory MPs publicly revealed who they nominated for in the leadership process.

    If as you claim as many as 50-80 publicly claimed to have nominated Johnson then it is perfectly feasible that another couple of dozen did so without publicly declaring.

    I don’t know how many nominations Johnson received, and nor do I care. But I do know that he is popular with many Tory MPs and I also know that the Chairman of the 1922 is unlikely to have any motivation for lying about the issue.

    It certainly wouldn’t help Party unity for Sir Graham Brady to lie, it could be challenged by Sunak/Mordaunt supporters, so if for no other reason I think it is unlikely.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    And why would they?

    You just claimed that they would have a “fair idea”. Whatever.

    If as you claim as many as 50-80 publicly claimed to have nominated Johnson then it is perfectly feasible that another couple of dozen did so without publicly declaring.

    I didn’t claim that. About 60 publicly claimed to have nominated him, IIRC. High figure of 80 letters came from journalists getting the nod that more might back him on the quiet. Low figure of 50 came from some who thought even some of his public backers weren’t prepared to put a letter in for him.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63343308

    Boris Johnson – Before he pulled out, 58 MPs pledged their support

    They published a list.

    ernielynch
    Free Member

    Yeah half of Tory MPs didn’t publicly declare who they nominated so another 42 could have easily also nominated Johnson.

    This is what I posted on this thread a week ago;

    ernielynch Free Member
    Out of 357 Tory MPs only 180 have so far publicly declared which candidate they are backing in the leadership contest. I find it astonishing that only half Tory MPs have been open about who they are backing.

    Quite why a professional politician who expects members of the public to back their political stances should be so secretive about an important political stance I don’t know.

    IMO no politician should be protected by the principal of secret ballots. They should always be held accountable for the way they vote.

    With only 5 hours left to go I am of course assuming that considerably more than half have decided how they are voting.

    Posted 1 week ago

    I thought that today’s comment by the Chairman of the 1922 Committee that Johnson had in fact secured sufficient nominations for a runoff against Rishi Sunak might make an interesting update to this Boris Johnson thread.

    I thought that it might shed new light on why Johnson might have pulled out of the leadership contest, if it wasn’t because of lack of nominations.

    Could it perhaps be because he didn’t feel that now was a good time to lead the party when losing the next general election is all but certain?

    Or could it be that despite having support from the party membership Johnson felt that there might be insufficient PCP support to fill all the ministerial positions and he would struggle to form a government?

    What I didn’t expect was that just mentioning Graham Brady’s comment would ruffle quite so many feathers and result in unsubstantiated claims that Graham Brady must be lying, and then get dragged over a couple of pages, with a few ad hominem attacks against me thrown in for good measure 🙂

    And no I’m not new around here so yes I should have fully expected a reaction if challenging what is obviously STW’s predetermined idea of the truth 😉

    kelvin
    Full Member

    if it wasn’t because of lack of nominations

    I still think it was. My opinion. I have no reason to believe that he knew for sure he had 102+ letters, and nothing said today changes that, for me. Brady didn’t say out right how many letters were submitted for Johnson. Even if he ever does, it can’t be corroborated if MPs wouldn’t own up to it in public. He can say what he wants, I still think that Johnson pulled out because he couldn’t be sure he’d get enough letters submitted for him. He withdrew to try and save face. His reasons for withdrawing just another lie.

    scuttler
    Full Member

    Just keeping this ‘VIP fast lane’ scandal fresh as it happened on Johnson’s watch and he was always a cheerleader for sticking up for his mates.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/23/revealed-tory-peer-michelle-mone-secretly-received-29m-from-vip-lane-ppe-firm

    Mone contacted Agnew by private email on 8 May 2020, copying in Gove. She offered to supply large quantities of PPE face masks, the Guardian revealed, saying they could be sourced through “my team in Hong Kong”.

    Agnew passed the offer to civil servants handling “priority” offers from politically connected people. PPE Medpro, the company, was not even incorporated until four days later, on 12 May 2020, but by the end of June, the government had contracted to pay it £203m of public money.

    Another tenner for the Good Law Project.

    multi21
    Free Member

    👆
    This scandal needs its own thread! It’s unbelievable
    https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/23/the-yacht-the-wedding-and-29m-michelle-mones-life-during-the-covid-crisis

    The latest batch of documents reviewed by the Guardian state that in October 2020, Barrowman transferred £29m originating from PPE Medpro profits to a trust set up on the Isle of Man. Records indicate the trust was set up to benefit Mone and her three children, and that its bank account was opened the same month that she recommended PPE Medpro to Tory ministers.

    I also find it staggering in general that companies received money for supplying nothing, after their PPE was found to be of substandard quality.

    dantsw13
    Free Member

    The numbers involved in that article are mind blowing.

    kimbers
    Full Member

    As well as the insane levels of corruption and entitlement all this feeds in to the covid denying/ antivax nuts who see it as confirming their conspiracies

    multi21
    Free Member

    dantsw13
    Free Member

    The numbers involved in that article are mind blowing.

    They are indeed. Cleaners regularly go to jail for pocketing amounts in the hundreds/thousands. Let’s see what happens here.

    Call me cynical but my expectation is she gets to keep the £29m, doesn’t go to jail and keeps her peerage.

    It shouldn’t be down to Private Eye/The Guardian/The Good Law Project to expose this stuff, but well done to them for doing so.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Sorry for the twitter vid…

    Kay… show us how to interview a slippery eel…

    tjagain
    Full Member

    The numbers involved in that article are mind blowing.

    Tip of the iceberg.

    Klunk
    Free Member

    she missed a trick there, he says if anyone had contacted him “to go through the proper channels” so why didn’t he reply to Mone in the same way ? His involvement as a minister is highly suspect.

    dissonance
    Full Member

    His involvement as a minister is highly suspect.

    The proper (for a lose definition of proper but the one he would be using) channels did include the “vip lane” which I assume she went into as along with Hancocks pub landlord and so on.
    Cant find the source right now (think it may have been private eye) but the failure rate of the procurement via that approach was far higher than those via the normal channels.
    Its almost like letting a bunch of cronies do deals for ppe vs dealing with companies whom have been selling it to the nhs for years wasnt the best plan.

    Poopscoop
    Full Member

    I see Mone has just made a post on Twitter, the first for some time. Guessing it’s in reference to the latest revelations.

    A Tory spiv basically.

    What a corrupt little country we now inhabit.

    Northwind
    Full Member

    TBH other than the squirming there I don’t think Gove’s done anything wrong, if it’s as he claims? “Making the introduction” isn’t really a thing if he was contacted and then passed it on to the people who make the decisions, without making recommendations or whatever. It’s not dodging the issue to say “yeah someone contacted me so I passed it on”.

    multi21
    Free Member

    I also find it staggering in general that companies received money for supplying nothing, after their PPE was found to be of substandard quality.

    Yup, this bears repeating. It’s not just the money- I mean, the money is a big deal. But this killed people. We had doctors and nurses and carers on the front line with inadequate ppe. Same as track and trace- the money is a smaller issue than the absolute betrayal

    leegee
    Full Member

    He’s going to stand againat the next election.

    bbc

    A hiding to nothing surely.

    Poopscoop
    Full Member

    A hiding to nothing surely.

    Not necessarily.

    Under current proposals, Mr Johnson could gain support when his constituency is redrawn to absorb some new Tory leaning areas

    .

    kelvin
    Full Member

    “yeah someone contacted me so I passed it on”

    That is misrepresenting how the VIP lane worked. Don’t fall for it.

    Northwind
    Full Member

    Is it? Gove’s account is basically saying that he didn’t put Medpro into the VIP lane or recommend them, but only passed on Mone’s “recommendation”/request for VIP lane. That’s not quite the same. I don’t know if he’s telling the truth, but I don’t see anything really conclusive.

    breatheeasy
    Free Member

    Boris actually going to fight for his current seat, or hopeful of getting shifted to a more, erm, friendly reception somewhere else (Nadine Dories seat maybe)?

    kimbers
    Full Member

    Fight for his current one I believe

    For the first time in many years he’s been posing for photo ops in his constituency, lately, which is unusual as he’s usually on a donor funded holiday somewhere

    bruneep
    Full Member

    kelvin
    Full Member
    dudeofdoom
    Full Member

    Ah Boris’s Brexit Bonus,kerchung,kerchung.

    Not bad for 26 hours work.

    saucemerlin
    Free Member

    And yet there are still people out there who believe in Brexit. Jesus H Christ.

    maccruiskeen
    Full Member

    I guess he can afford to decorate a flat now.

    fasthaggis
    Full Member

    He will be riding high after Nadine sent him ‘their song’
    🤢

    slowoldman
    Full Member

    Let’s not beat about the bush, he’s a ****.

    intheborders
    Free Member

    I’ve been to various black tie & corporate conferences etc, but it’s still beyond me why anyone would book Johnson – or is it just a ‘money laundering’ exercise?

    binners
    Full Member

    I guess he can afford to decorate a flat now.

    Whether he’ll actually pay for anything himself is another matter.

    He’s still living rent-free in one of Tory Donor Lord Bamfords many properties. A luxury cottage in the Cotswolds, normally available to rent to mere mortals for £13,500 a month. Lovely!

    I suppose you have to sort of respect such shameless freeloading really

    MSP
    Full Member

    is it just a ‘money laundering’ exercise?

    It is the unspoken contract between political power and the rich, they need to be seen to provide wealth so the future incumbents in number 10 will continue to be compliant to their needs. It isn’t so much a conspiracy just a corrupt system. And it’s not new, but as wealth has been amassed at the top then the examples have got more extreme.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    So, at one of the parties that wasn’t a party couples were properly at it (I’m going to the wrong parties)… “this is the most unsocially distanced party in the UK right now“ …and paperwork was shredded ahead of the enquiry. No one will be surprised. Links later if I can be bothered… unless others post some first.

    breatheeasy
    Free Member

    So, at one of the parties that wasn’t a party couples were properly at it (I’m going to the wrong parties)… “this is the most unsocially distanced party in the UK right now“ …and paperwork was shredded ahead of the enquiry. No one will be surprised. Links later if I can be bothered… unless others post some first.

    This will be the ultimate downfall of the idiot – either now, or heaven forbid, the loons work out how to get him back to No.10 – the constant dripfeed of this kind of stuff, and I’m 100% sure there are boatloads of this kinda gossip still unearthed.

    kimbers
    Full Member

    Without a doubt he’s so corrupt, arrogant & dishonest that scandal will dig him wherever he goes

    Of course some people like a rogue & see it as a plus, but it wears thin

    MoreCashThanDash
    Full Member

    I’d heard from a contact within Tory HQ that it was known there were pics of drug use at the lockdown parties, be interesting if and when they come out.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    I have often wondered why when clearly cocaine is used by a significant number of politicians the press do not chase it.  The only explanation I have been given is the press are at it as well

    Johnson obviously used cocaine. downbeat and penitent at one meeting. Upbeat and arrogant at the next.  Clearly a few fat lines in between.

    cocaine traces found all over the HOC including the bathroom next to Johnsons office.  Cocaine traces found all over which ever of the “grace and favour” houses Truss and kwartang held a party at.  Kwatangs behaviour at the queens funeral.  Gove clearly off his head in a nightclub.  etc etc

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    cocaine traces found all over the HOC including the bathroom next to Johnsons office.  Cocaine traces found all over which ever of the “grace and favour” houses Truss and kwartang held a party at.  Kwatangs behaviour at the queens funeral.  Gove clearly off his head in a nightclub.

    Mhairi Black “licking Kit Kat chocolate off her fingers” on the benches.  Strange you’ve only listed examples of Tories.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    You have said that one before scotroutes.  I watched the clip.  I am as sure as I can be that was not drugs.

    I don’t know of any others but it would be incredibly naive to think it was confined to the tories.  Neverseen any evidence of others

    I think there has been some admitted cannabis smokers in labour

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