I know what I’d like. I’d like all labour MPs to be promoting and advertising the massively popular policies they presented at the last election, and debating how they can be updated for the next one. So why aren’t they doing that?

because those policies will be put on the back burner while we spend the next decade trying to sort out Brexit

its why they also wont be that successful at getting Labour votes this time around

Boris is quite clever

No he really isn’t, he is of the breed of classically educated posh **** that people often mistake for intelligent because he knows a bit of Latin.

Intelligence comes in many forms, there are many clever people I also think are stupid for many reasons. He’s very good at what he does, at engaging the people around him and twisting the truth.

Anything at all would be a start.

The labour party have been very active recently trying to get the no deal motion through parliament and fending off the Brexit party in Peterborough. Sadly most of the effort in the PLP has been expended with the usual display of MPs throwing their dummies out of the pram about Corbyn instead of having a go at the tories. The MPs need to follow the example of the rest of the party.

I’d like all labour MPs to be promoting and advertising the massively popular policies they presented at the last election

They can’t. You can only have a giveaway manifesto if you’re pretty sure you’re going to lose. Labour could win the next election so anything in the next manifesto has to be fairly deliverable.

The MPs need to follow the example of the rest of the party.

Call for a general election? Be a bit antisemitic? Tweet some shouty soundbites? Deliver the ‘will of the people’?

who’s his pick for chancellor ? can’t have promised it to any of the other candidates, Hammond will bring him down if he goes for no deal brexit.

Labour could win the next election so anything in the next manifesto has to be fairly deliverable.

Ha, you still believe that. We are past that stage now, just make up some vague stuff that voters like the sound of and job done.

Ha, you still believe that. We are past that stage now, just make up some vague stuff that voters like the sound of and job done.

I do. Cameron took the piss late in the 2015 campaign, but that was only because the polls suggested either he’d lose or be in coalition again.

Apart from that the manifestos of partys with a chance win are fairly sane and the small parties promise the moon on a stick. That’s why if you do one of those online policy polls you always find your views most align with a small party, never with one of the two main parties. (Often small parties from completely different sides of the political spectrum being in your most favoured choices.)

He is intelligent and at times quite likable, just as Ted Bundy was.

It doesn’t matter what labour do or say now. They get no airtime

Because I am not blinded by hatred of Corbyn I seek out and read stuff.

Last few weeks there has been a fair amount of good things said on things as diverse as child poverty, education, citizens rights,taxation and of course the attempt to take control of parliament to prevent the excesses of the right that fell because of labour mps voting against it

But of course it’s all Corbyns fault

Also the posts on here are as ill-informed and deluded as much of the Internet. It’s just become a Corbyn hating echo chamber.

I’d say that there’s a lot more hatred directed towards the flytipped sofa we are all now resigned to being our next Prime Minister

Rather than hatred towards Corbyn, it’s more a weary resignation that when faced with his new ‘opposition’ he’ll continue being as useless and ineffective as he has been against May, thus making the day job of the self-serving mop considerably easier, as he’s left to plough on, completely unchallenged, with god only knows what

Labour party member here. As much as i hate to say it, we need to lose Corbyn if we are to defeat Johnson and the Conservatives.

Hes a nice guy but he just comes with too much baggage for middle England to get behind him.

 As much as i hate to say it, we need to lose Corbyn if we are to defeat Johnson and the Conservatives.

That’s the problem. He’ll never win a general Election as long as he’s got a hole in his arse despite what TJ seems to think.

As long as Corbyn is the Labour leader, we’ll have a Tory government, which is thoroughly depressing!

It doesn’t matter what labour do or say now. They get no airtime

That’s because the leadership keep refusing to do interviews in the mainstream media. John McDonnell’s the only one you hear and that’s rare.

If the R4 Today Show could have Corbyn on every fortnight they’d bite his hand off.

Hes a nice guy but he just comes with too much baggage for middle England to get behind him.

Is he though?
He comes across as narrow minded and petty.

If only he was a genuine socialist like Tony Benn, rather than being a self centred career politician.

Have you not noticed the Tory MPs taking the piss out of grandad at PMQ’s? Everyone knows the routine now. He mumbles all his usual rambling nonsense, then he has one or two ‘soundbite’ sentences where he does his shouty student thing.

He is now greeted with ironic cheers from the Tory benches and what I assume must be despair from those behind him. May even remarked sarcastically last week, when he did it, about ‘having done your Twitter thing’ – literally as soon as he’d done it. Because he does it every week

As far as he’s then concerned, the social media team will edit the soundbite bit and tweet it out the all the sixth formers following him on Twitter and facebook. Never mind trying to get the message (whatever that is?) across to anyone else. Job done. It’s all sorted.

And that’s it… Jeremy’s press and communication commitments are taken care of for another week and it’s back to the allotment, with maybe a trip out to miners refuge in Barnsley for a Palestinian fundraiser

FFS!! Boris Johnson’s team are desperately trying with all their might to keep him hidden from the press and the public. They’ve virtually locked him in a cupboard. And he’s still more visible than grandad

They should have got him to follow Corbyn around for a week and they’d have been sorted. He’s got being invisible down to an artform

If only he was a genuine socialist like Tony Benn, rather than being a self centred career politician.

I suspect you’re being ironic but if not:

Wasn’t Tony Benn on the right of the Labour party until he worked out he could create a nice cult political career for himself by going left?

In contrast Corbyn has shown no interest in a political career beyond being a back bencher. According to John McDonnell in the BBC Documentary just after he won the leadership Corbyn only went for the leader gig because it was his turn to be the token leftie leadership candidate (and John McDonnell had suffered a recent heart attack). They couldn’t have predicted a victory for their wing of the party and if they’d known they would get past the PLP vote stage they’d have picked the candidate a lot more carefully.

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Be a bit antisemitic?

Jesus man you sound like a daily telegraph sound bite bot.

I think I have my answer though to the question of what you want labour to do. Be on the telly and radio a lot by the sounds of it. Which is stupid because the leadership and general elections proved that Corbyn is strongest when he’s out talking to normal people in their communities rather than playing the silly Westminster media game.

In contrast Corbyn has shown no interest in a political career beyond being a back bencher

Which is his appeal. If Boris proves anything it’s that those who seek power are the least suitable to wield it.  This isn’t yet accepted wisdom in this country but it will be after Johnson has done his work.

Johnson doubling down on unicorns. He apparently will be able to change the Ni backstop once pm.
He is going to do this by threatening no deal and to withhold the money we owe.
Is he a dag? (Aussie slang)

I would like to see a strong leader who will stand up for British values…. How about Prince Phillip for PM ?

I see questions are being asked about who’s funding Boris’s campaign.

Questions his team refuse to answer

How very Brexit

Arron Banks hedging his bets, via Putin?

Binners you’re wasted here. Your ramblings are quite eloquent 👏

Just taking one point from there, so you’re cool with burqas?

Yep, presumably you are not – which is no surprise given all the other shit you post.

Wow, ok. I post shit? Coming from an inhabitant of a troll filled echo chamber, that really hurts!

Yeah well call me a Nazi but I’m with the women of Iran who risk their necks by going unveiled in public. We are talking about real fascism here. If you think it’s shit perhaps you need to do a bit more homework. Saying “you write shit” might win you an argument in your school playground but if you are trying to argue with someone of opposing political views you need to be a bit more intelligent/eloquent, or I’m afraid you just sound like a knuckle dragging standard issue pond life.

I’m with the women of Iran who risk their necks

‘Course you are, yeah. Solidarity with the women of Iran, brother.

Idiotic response.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-47032829

Course you are, yeah. Solidarity with the women of Iran, brother.

I was thinking exactly the same. I am sure the suppressed women of Iran feel ever grateful.

How are you showing that support grime. Have you burnt a burqa in your own #metoo show of unity?

his casual islamphobia, racism & homophobia aside Johnson has no plan for Brexit

but then neither do the rest of them

yet the Leavers somehow think that its going to better than it was with May

It’s fine. Don’t you worry your pretty little heads about this

IF THEY JUST TALK MORE SLOWLY AND MORE LOUDLY THEN JOHNNY FOREIGNER WILL GIVE US OUR CAKE AND EAT IT, RED WHITE AND BLUE BREXIT

Theresa wasn’t prepared to do this. Boris will.

They’ll fold immediately when faced with a mop-haired ****-wit with a gun at his own head

grimep seems keen to defend his islamaphobia, yet has no comment on his lack of a plan for brexit?

grimep is a complete troll, you won’t be getting any plans or any discussion just more and more extreme posts trying to wind you all up.

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Serious question: why are mods on here so active on this sort of thing and on vague thread duplication? Other forums of which I’m a member take a much more laissez faire approach to this sort of thing and the world hasn’t ended. It sometimes feels a bit like being back at school on here.

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The format of this forum (with only two sub-forums) would result in the topic list being overwhelmed by duplicate threads. Keeping all similar discussion in one thread maximises the number of different topics on the topic list(s).

Plus, it just saves on unnecessary duplication, cross-posting and moderation.

Serious question: why are mods on here so active on this sort of thing and on vague thread duplication?

Turning that around: why do you need to have the same discussion in 17 different threads?

“Thread drift” was really the wrong term. There’s nothing wrong with thread drift, it’s a positive thing even. If this thread tangented off into the relative merits of African elephants over Indian ones it wouldn’t matter. Rather, duplicate discussions will quickly gum up the forum (this is the reason paging posts aren’t allowed) and it’s generally preferable to have comments on a subject all in one place.

You might argue “one duplicate doesn’t matter” but if we took that view then all it would take is three celebrity deaths and the front page would be full of nothing else.

Other forums of which I’m a member take a much more laissez faire approach to this sort of thing and the world hasn’t ended. It sometimes feels a bit like being back at school on here.

No-one’s stopping you using those forums instead, if that’s what you’d prefer. In’t choice brilliant!

Plus, y’know, it’s tedious enough having “magic granddad” posts every third post in one thread, I don’t think anyone wants that spilling over into multiple others too.

Thanks Cougar. I was about to say the same.

If this thread tangented off into the relative merits of African elephants over Indian ones it wouldn’t matter

Oh I know this one. Ian’t it something to do with stall speed?

only when on a treadmill

Oh I know this one. Ian’t it something to do with stall speed?

Yup. African elephants have a much higher glide ratio. Bigger ears.

all it would take is three celebrity deaths and the front page would be full of nothing else.

Aye, imagine the chaos if Joe Cocker and Roger Moore were both to pop their clogs on the same day.