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BNP Leader gets pelted with eggs…
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miketuallyFree Member
and the protesters have the right to shout him down – if not the duty.
Actually, the Labour government took away that right – SOCPA. Perhaps that’s why he chose to hold the press conference outside Parliament?
JunkyardFree MemberYou have to defend the right of free speech to those you oppose most like BNP and Griffin. The people have voted he has the right to represent his electors and speak on their behalf. It is what seperates our liberal traditon from the fascists.
Saying that we have a fine tradition of direct protest which I would also heartly support in this case did they hit him?
Were they hard boiled?
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Is he hurt?Were they from brown hens?
mrmichaelwrightFree Membercan we get a slow hand clap for the woman interviewed on R4 just now for ‘unite against fascism’. by all means throw eggs but PLEASE be able to back up your actions by means other then stating over and over again that you are representing the majority against racism.
Understanding of democracy :FAIL:
CaptainFlashheartFree Membermrmichaelwright, agreed. She was painful to listen to, wasn’t she?
GFree MemberI find it hard to decide who I want to throw my eggs at most personally
mrmichaelwrightFree Memberindeed. much as I am sure that it is an extremely nerve racking prospect (mrsmw has turned down PM on the grounds of short notice before, you can’t get into a barny with Eddy Muir unless you are prepared) she should at least have been able to explain exactly what it was they were trying to prove. spokespeople like that just reinforce the scabby student ‘wish washy’ hippy stereotype and play into the hands of the likes of Griffin
RudeBoyFree MemberI woon’t waste good eggs on Griffin. Would be disrespectful to the hens that laid them.
I’d say the same about dogshit, even.
I can understand the frustration and anger felt by many people over this, but it has at least got people discussing the issues, which can be turned into a positive thing. It is, as many people are saying, a ‘wake-up call’.
Let’s hope people don’t doze off again…
TandemJeremyFree MemberStalin was no socialist. He was a totalitarian dictator who used the language of socialism.
G – I understood your post to mean he had a “human right” to make his speech which I don’t believe he has. I did say the protesters should have stayed within the law. Assaulting him was wrong. They should have just shouted him down
GFree MemberI actually don’t even agree with even that TJ, its the protests that give him the oxygen of publicity and is exactly why he/they provoke them. Best to leave him to it. The press would soon stop reporting nothing happening.
JxLFree Memberas much as I would love to throw eggs at griffin and his thugs, the protesters shouldn’t have resorted to it. It would have been much better of them to stand behind him with banners and watch him losing track of his hatred speech, and finally walking off in anger. That would have been a FAIL on behalf of griffin.
NortonFree MemberAccording to their spokeswoman (killing time before daddy gets her a nice job or internship by the sound of things) UAF don’t believe in free speech if your views are contrary to theirs – not sure who’s the fascist here…meanwhile lets talk about the thousand of workers at LDV and the C&G who lost their jobs this week – what are the UAF or any of the parties that fund it doing for them – nope I reckon the ruling class still hasn’t got it.
RudeBoyFree MemberCan I point out that Unite Against Facism, along with the Labour Party, the Anti Nazi League and others were actually involved in escorting people to the polls, in Millwall in 1994, to ensure that voters felt safe, and free from intimidation from the gangs of BNP thugs who were roaming around trying to scare people into staying in their homes and not voting? This resulted in the BNP being ousted from their seat on the local council. A victory for freedom and equality.
I’ve done a little bit of work for UAF, and other anti-racist organisations, and whilst there are a few militant individuals, the majority are simply people who care passionately that such abhorrent and divisive views as those held by the British Nazi Party are met with resistance at every opportunity, so that the voice of Fascism is drowned out.
UAF don’t believe in free speech if your views are contrary to theirs
Really? Can you prove this?
So, they’re worse than the BNP, in your onion, then? Or what? 🙄
Egg-throwing is childish and stupid. Stopping the BNP from speaking out is commendable.
Don’t be fooled by the ‘Democracy’ argument; they’re nasty vicious racist thugs. Nothing more, nothing less.
GFree MemberDon’t be fooled by the ‘Democracy’ argument; they’re nasty vicious racist thugs. Nothing more, nothing less.
And for this reason the rights and legal system of this country therefore don’t apply to them?
rogerthecatFree MemberSo far I am mostly in agreement with G.
I have never held with the nonsense regarding the “oxygen of publicity” – the more people who are exposed to both sides of a debate the better informed they will be to make a decision – it may not be the one you want, but at least you then understand their position.
Eloquent, public destruction of wholly loathsome and misguided ideals will force them back into to holes from which they sprang. Making them appear martyrs will only increase their appeal.
RudeBoyFree MemberAnd for this reason the rights and legal system of this country therefore don’t apply to them?
Have you any idea what they’re really about?
They don’t believe in ‘rights’ for many British people, ffs.
nickcFull MemberYou can get all prissy about Griffin’s “rights” but the fact of the matter is that he’d very much like to take away those very same rights to great swathes of the population, and he relies largely on the likes of G to back him up, Now I’m certain G isn’t a supporter of the BNP, but they will use the cover of “Democracy” and “freedom of speech” to further their fetid aims and views, and when you protect his rights, you unwittingly protect his viewpoint. What did that Frenchman Voltaire say “I disagree with you but I’m willing to die for your right to say it”? Fine words, but at what point to you draw a line, and say “Apart from that point of view”…
In this case, against these people, I am happy to be counted on the side of the egg throwers.
ernie_lynchFree MemberOnly a fool would defend Nick Griffin’s ‘human rights’. The BNP was specifically formed to deny people their human rights. In fact denying other people their human rights goes to the very core of the BNP’s philosophy. Take that away, and their ‘reason d’etre’ has disappear – there is no longer any reason for them to exist.
At best, fascists may be tolerated. But they should never be defended. They should always be opposed by whatever means any given situation requires. If necessary through the ballot box, if necessary with eggs, if necessary (God forbid) with guns. But they should always be opposed. If they were ever to win a general election I would never accept the result. I would do whatever was necessary legally or/and illegally to oppose them. Have we learnt nothing from history ffs ? Have we learnt nothing from the Nuremberg Trials?
My father volunteered to fight and die in two wars solely because fascists wanted to deny people their human rights. But unsurprisingly, he wasn’t much bothered about the human rights of Franco’s Fascists or Hitler’s Nazis. 70 years on, I’m certainly not going to defend the leader of the BNP against “eggs”. Although I would undoubtedly defend him if there were attempts to truss him up mussolini style.
But only because it isn’t yet necessary, when it is, I’ll supply the rope.
BTW G, don’t blame those who voted BNP, they are amongst the least guilty. Blame Griffin for being a Nazi. Blame New Labour for abandoning their own core voters and driving them into the arms of Fascists. And blame the Guardian for stabbing Labour in the back days before an election.
The only totally innocent party in this sorry state of affairs, are the Tories. For once.
RudeBoyFree MemberNo they’re not! It’s the Tories who’ve instilled selfish, greedy right-wing views in people in this country in the first place, EL!
Well, of course it’s her fault. Who else’s would it be? 🙄
EDIT: I’d better not say that. Might upset someone, who’ll grass me up to t’mods, and I’ll get banned.
Again…
shandsFree MemberSo they got a couple of seats. How can anybody say that because they’re evil or biggotted they have no human rights. Even the vilest criminal has human rights unfortunately. By everyone standing on their own little soap box and spouting their two penth worth into the the interweb. It just keeps them at the fore front. If you dont like them, dont vote for them, dont advertise them. If they are not news worthy, the media wont report them!
ernie_lynchFree MemberEven the vilest criminal has human rights unfortunately.
Well that’s news to me. How come we have prisons then ?
Sounds to me like we take away the rights of people who don’t behave in a civilised manner.
Perhaps we shouldn’t do it any more ?miketuallyFree MemberWell that’s news to me. How come we have prisons then ?
Prisoners still have human rights.
trailmonkeyFull MemberBTW G, don’t blame those who voted BNP, they are amongst the least guilty
You’re going to have to explain that one to me ❓
ernie_lynchFree MemberRead what comes after that – that’s the explanation. Or do you me to expand ?
ernie_lynchFree MemberPrisoners still have human rights.
Their human rights are somewhat restricted I believe. Unless of course you don’t think ‘freedom’ is a human right.
hilldodgerFree MemberWell, of course it’s her fault. Who else’s would it be?
surely not MHT ❗
tankslapperFree MemberWhat is everyone scared of? Griffin turns up anywhere he is pelted with eggs, students bar his speeches etc etc What is really the issue? Are we truly scared of such a-holes? The pathetic attempts by some have only managed to provide Griffin with much needed publicity.
The simple truth is let him speak – to deny him and others is simply undemocratic.
Let him speak and his arguments and his party will vanish like autumn mist – keep pelting him with eggs and you create a media feeding frenzy.
trailmonkeyFull MemberSorry EL, can’t have that. Feeling disenfranchised is no excuse to vote BNP.
RudeBoyFree MemberYou’ve got one egg left……….
No-brainer.
Keep egg, for eating later, and throw brick at Maggie.
TandemJeremyFree MemberHuman rights as defined in the human rights act:
Some are absolute and some are qualified. for example the right to freedom is qualified by the need to obey the law. Break the law and you can have your freedom restricted. Religous worship is absolute IIRCHowever as far as I know nothing in the human rights act would give him the right to make speeches outside the houses of parliament without running the risk of counter demos
ernie_lynchFree MemberFeeling disenfranchised is no excuse to vote BNP.
Who said it was an excuse ? I said : “they are amongst the least guilty”.
G said : “Personally I’d throw egss, hammers and bricks at the **** who thought voting for the BNP was some sort of sensible thing to do…….don’t blame Nick Griffin”
Nick Griffin has no accuse at all for being a Nazi and a liar.
The Labour Party has no excuse at all for abandoning their core voters.
The Guardian has no excuse at all for stabbing Labour in the back a couple of days before an election.
You can’t blame BNP voters for the behaviour of those above. And perhaps if those above had behaved differently, the election result would have been different.
BigButSlimmerBlokeFree MemberSo, in summary, freedom of speech is ok as long as you agree with what is being said, and democracy is sound as long as you agree with the result.
A democratically elected member of a parliament can be assaulted by having eggs thrown at him because other people find what he has to say offensive.
Well, if that’s ok, if you disagree with the roads around where you stay being closed for a few hours, even though this was sanctioned by the democratically elected representatives for the area, it’ll be ok to scatter some carpet tacks around then?tankslapperFree MemberBigBut
I think that’s the vien of my post! Well said – let the little pratt have his say. Why lower yourselfs to BNP levels? Nobody should be scared of them – pushing such an organisation underground is extremely dangerous – bring him out in the open and lets have a full discussion – he’d be made a laughing stock
stufieldFree MemberI think Jake and Elwood had the right idea: I hate fukcin Nazis
BigButSlimmerBlokeFree Membertankslap – yup, the only way to beat them is in a fair fight – and that’s through the ballot box. today’s little farce will be used by the toad faced little freak to show how the big boys in the playground are ganging up on him. had the anti-free speech fascists, or whatever they’re calling themselves not decided to kick off, the speech would have been a non-event no story, no chubby little freak on tele tonight.
HairychestedFree MemberYou Brits got this feckhead leader of BNP loads of publicity. If nobody turned up, including media, he would present his opinion to ever-shitting pigeons. By pelting him with eggs you gave him media time. You bloody should’ve used bricks, hammers and condons full of oil-based paint[/u]. That’ve learned him 😉
tankslapperFree MemberThat’s the very reason I couldnt understand those muppets in Oxford when Gripshit turned up to talk – wtf were they thinking about. If he had been allowed to speak he would have been laughed out of town. Instead, what? A massive on goal by the intelligensia – you would have almost thought they were in support of him!
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