You stating your own subjective view is not a fact watch

No it did not FACT

We do not rely on what people say to decide if medicine works as introspection is such a poor guide to efficacy.

I am not saying whether you are right or wrong in this case,I have no idea, but your anecdote is not a FACT anymore than mine is.

All I’m saying is when I felt like shit both holistic and scientific medicine did the same to my body ie next to nothing apart from a small respite. SUBJECTIVE VIEW 😆

I think that the concern is that people try and treat serious illnesses with homeopathy and other woo, potentially leading to more serious outcomes, particularly with conditions where time is critical.

But surely by going to a doctor they would immediately know which treatment to put you on.
I would never condone self healing unless it was a sniffle or paper cut.

I took the sugar pills, I stopped coughing. Fact.
…
Just worked for 1 week.

The other day I was in a car accident. Fact! I was wearing a work polo shirt. Fact! Conclusion, wearing polo shirts causes car accidents.

You cannot infer that conclusion from those two statements. Just because there’s a correlation does not mean that there is a causal link. (Well, you can, but it’s a logical fallacy.)

I had been coughing for 2 weeks so bad I was on occasion vomiting prior to the sugar pills, hence the visit to the doctor. This stopped for 1 week.
It could have been a coincidence.
I had to take Antibiotics then to stop coughing.
I still have whooping cough now.

The other day I was in a car accident. Fact! I was wearing a work polo shirt. Fact! Conclusion, wearing polo shirts causes car accidents.

I fell off my bike last summer wearing a polo shirt – I’m starting to think you might be on to something….

I took the sugar pills, I stopped coughing. Fact. I couldn’t care less about proving it. Fact.
Just worked for 1 week. Fact. Antibiotics only worked for 1 week. Fact. I still have whooping cough now .Fact.

Your wife’s friend is a shit Doctor. FACT.

Once you have had whooping cough for a couple of weeks, the bacteria has done its job and antibiotics won’t do much to stop the symptoms, it will just need to run its course and will be on and off in bouts for a few weeks regardless of what pills you take.

HOWEVER, She prescribed you sugar pills which meant that you were still infectious to other people.

If she had prescribed you antibiotics then you wouldn’t have been.

She’s an idiot.

I once eat a mint with a hole in it whilst wearing a polo shirt.

I didn’t cough and I wasn’t sick.

One little comment, on a Facebook page none of us has seen, by a person we haven’t met, reinterpreted by a stranger on the internet is having a measurable effect on this forum… Makes you think…

literal lol!

Once you have had whooping cough for a couple of weeks, the bacteria has done its job and antibiotics won’t do much to stop the symptoms, it will just need to run its course and will be on and off in bouts for a few weeks regardless of what pills you take.

Are antibiotics given to a bad cough as standard?
Once test results confirmed whooping cough antibiotics were given immediately.
Please tell me what’s shit about that.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19904-placebos-can-work-even-when-you-know-theyre-fakes.html#.UtPY_9qYa1s

Go on to her facebook profile, click where it says ‘friend’, then click ‘show in news feed’.

Job done, you don’t have to remove her as a friend, or read any mumbo jumbo BS.

Are antibiotics given to a bad cough as standard?
Once test results confirmed whooping cough antibiotics were given immediately.
Please tell me what’s shit about that.

She mis diagnosed a patient who had an easy to identify illness.

She then gave them sugar pills to make them go away.

Then sent an infectious patient out to make other people ill.

Hardly winning Doctor of the Year is she ?

What I find most worrying in this thread is that the second trap in that toilet diagram above is useless.

Point Y should be below water level, surely?

If I went to my GP and she recommended homeopathy to me, I’d make every effort to have her struck off before she got the chance to recommend it as treatment to a cancer patient.

@ It’s different on the continent. This woman is highly regarded the medical community. As I previously said all doctors must study fairy dust sugar pills to quailfy.

@nealglover Please give me the symptoms of early whooping cough ie first stage which was the time I visited her

@nealglover Please give me the symptoms of early whooping cough ie first stage

Why first stage ?

If you were coughing for two weeks before you went to the doctor, as you said you were.

And you were coughing to the point of vomiting, then you were in second stage.

As I said, easily diagnosed.

I was wondering that too woz.

C

Because taking imaginary medicine sometimes discourages people from taking real medicine.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/11/22/calgary-mother-who-relied-on-herbal-medicines-facing-charges-after-son-7-dies-of-treatable-bacterial-infection/

Last week there was a headline in my local paper about a bogus faith healer ripping thousands of pounds off his clients. Yeah it’s always those ‘bogus’ ones giving the genuine ones a bad name…

This surgeon/doctor must really be shit as she is doing really good work especially with trauma victims.
She specialises in facial reconstruction and is such a nice person. She also does voluntary medical with the homeless of Vienna.She must really hate people if she hans out sugar pills.
Let’s have your CV nealglover seeing as you have the experience to call her shit several times on this thread.

This surgeon/doctor must really be shit as she is doing really good work especially with trauma victims.
She specialises in facial reconstruction and is such a nice person. She also does voluntary medical with the homeless of Vienna.She must really hate people if she hans out sugar pills.

She should stick to what she is good at then.

Because if she can’t spot second stage whooping cough that’s making someone vomit, being a GP is clearly not her strong suit.

You can tell me she cured cancer and made someone’s legs grow back, but it doesn’t change the fact that she misdiagnosed an easily spotted illness and sent an infectious patient out of the door with a bag of smarties 🙄

Let’s have your CV nealglover

What has that got to do with anything ?

Did she mis diagnose you ? YES
Did she prescribe the wrong thing ? YES
Did she send an infectious patient away without treating them ? YES

My CV is irrelevant.

Nice try at distraction though 🙄

Neal you have a wonderful way with dismissive posts
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It could have been a coincidence.

COULD 😯 Unless sugar pills cure coughs it IS a coincidence.

Point Y should be below water level, surely

No point X is so that is the water trap
Y would only need to be if it was the water trap
Given my water trap goes straight to the soil pipe I am assuming it is not standard to have two

Nealglover
Medically qualified?
Doctor?
Nurse?
Porter?
Cleaner?
Plant waterer?
However whatever it is you are now looking foolish.
Run along now and find a job from one of the above.

Nealglover
Medically qualified? No
Doctor? No
Nurse? No
Porter? No
Cleaner? No
Plant waterer? No
However whatever it is you are now looking foolish.
Run along now and find a job from one of the above.

why is that ?

Please explain how her diagnosis and prescription were correct ?

A doctor gave you sugar pills when you had an infectious disease I am not sure you need to be massively medically qualified to suggest this is not best practice or a wise course of action.
Its pointless to attack neal for this what you need to do is explain how what they did was a great piece of medicine/diagnosis/appropriate treatment – neal has explained why it was not
I would suggest you are attacking him as its easier than defending the doctor

I am not an engineer but I would advise against the use of spaghetti as a material for bridge building.

Is that ok or not?

My spaghetti bridge is perfectly safe! Just don’t go on it in the rain 😉

Not attacking. Mereltn defending someone he calls shit. Someone who has the correct training and experience. That is all.

… Someone who has the correct training and experience. That is all.

Can you honestly say they used that training and experience to give a correct diagnosis and prescribe a relevant treatment in your case ?

Because from how you described it yourself, she failed to diagnose you, and fobbed you off with sugar pills to get you out of the door.

And two weeks in, coughing till you puke, with her experience, that’s a diagnosis she would need to be blind to miss. Or just not bothered.

Having good training and experience doesn’t make you good, incidentally. I can’t comment on the case in question.

First week Civil Engineering degree group task – build a bridge out of spaghetti.

I was going to say that.
To hold 2 bags of sugar (or was it 3 I can’t remember )

Ok this doctor is shit. All call crash victims look like the hills have eyes, Vienna homeless are al dying and nealglover is the nhs.

Ps Neal you really need a job mate

First week Civil Engineering degree group task – build a bridge out of spaghetti.

To go pastan obstruction?

I am sure they could make one out of paper but there are probably some insurmountable flaws in the material choice which one does not have to be an engineer or a doctor to see.

DO they really make them do spaghetti bridges?

Neal you really need a job mate

He has one you really need a cogent defence on the Dr diagnosis as your repeated ad him just show that even you know the weakness of the argument

Not once have you tried to defend the diagnosis.
Shameful behaviour …we are all wrong sometimes and there is no shame in that. However it takes a special person to know they are wrong and debate on by simply insulting the other person.
😉

Don’t gnocchit till you’ve tried it.

Ok this doctor is shit. All call crash victims look like the hills have eyes, Vienna homeless are al dying and nealglover is the nhs.

You have failed to defend her mis diagnosis of you whooping cough, and her prescription of smarties for an infectious illness.

I’ll take that to mean you also agree she was totally wrong.

Ps Neal you really need a job mate

I worked from 2AM till 9AM today

I’ll be working again later from 3PM till 8PM.

How is this relevant to your need for a new GP exactly ?

The Italian army used to teach hand to hand combat using pasta.

Their motto?

“The penne is mightier than the sword”

RE Whooping cough and:

Are antibiotics given to a bad cough as standard?
Once test results confirmed whooping cough antibiotics were given immediately.

Infectivity of whooping cough: one week after exposure until 3 weeks after onset of symptoms (but only 7 days if antibiotics given).

Treatment is only really ‘useful’ if given within 3 weeks of onset… SO, not making specific judgements on clinical cases here or elsewhere, if you don’t treat within the first few weeks (for whatever reason) then antibiotics aren’t really indicated i.e. you’ve missed the boat…

DrP

@ Nealglove I really was not tring to insult and if you take it the wrong way I apologise. The job comment was out of order but I for some strange reason (maybe from another thread) thought you were a sudent.
It is just the constant belittlement of every single this this woman did when she was helping me.
She also helps me a lot with my bipolar as she is a fantastic therapist. It’s a therapy called brainspotting which helps heal old wounds but after doing it it puts you in a manic phase for a few days so I’m probably a bit.