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  • Hi guys am wondering if anyone know’s what the cut of age is for this bedroom tax. my parents were wondering if they would have to pay this, my mum is 60/54 and my dad is 61, they were told you need to be 61 1/2 when it comes in on april 1st, (Dads Bday oct 3rd)
    Is 61 1/2 really the age as it seems odd to me?

    just thought i’d pick the vast stw knowledge just now as i’m not at home.

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    What are your parents circumstances, the ‘tax’ is a misnomer, its a benefit cut to people in particular circumstances, not a tax on people who happen to have a bedroom.

    Premier Icon totalshell
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    only applies to tenants.. only applies if you receive certain benifits

    http://www.housing.org.uk/policy/welfare_reform/%E2%80%98under-occupation%E2%80%99_penalty.aspx

    the averages quoted of 14/16 quid seem average from what the tenants whose homes i work in tell me..

    if your parents can show that they dont share a room.. then theres a saving straight away

    yeah i know that but it seems everyone is calling it a tax rather than a cut/change in benefits.
    My dad no longer works as he had a works related accident and they said he needed to have his leg amputated, but him being of an older generation refused and is now on pain killers.
    My mum doesn’t work either, she used to have a good job before we came along but couldn’t get the same quality of job after leaving to be a full time mum.(3 of us)
    She now helps with our kids during the day (mine,sisters and auntie’s) as nursey cost an arm and a leg.

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    yeah i know that but it seems everyone is calling it a tax rather than a cut/change in benefits.

    Thats fine – The media has been using the word ‘tax’ a lot and I’ve met a lot of people who live in rented or social housing, and also people on pensions who were convinced the cut would effect them. You didn’t mention benefits in the first post, thats why I had to ask.

    We haven’t looked into it properly yet as we thought my dad was too old, but they were told that the sharing room thing wouldn’t cut it even tho they do.(dad snores)

    yeah there are a lot of different story’s on who needs to pay and how much, i’ve just popped into my ma’s and she was talking about it, i have no idea about it as it doesn’t effect me.

    mcboo
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    yeah i know that but it seems everyone is calling it a tax rather than a cut/change in benefits.

    Its not surprising it’s confusing, everyone being the Labour Party and the BBC. It’s a cut in benefits for some people.

    Premier Icon midlifecrashes
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    There aren’t many different stories. And the right one is easy to find.

    National Housing Federation

    So, if you rent a property from council or housing association you pay the rent. If you’re short of money you claim housing benefit/universal credit to get cash to help, you pay the rent. If you have more bedrooms than couples/children it’s been decided to give you less money to help pay the rent. 14% less benefit if you have one spare bedroom, 25% less benefit if more than one.

    There are exemptions and exceptions based on particular circumstances, but on the little info we have, doesn’t sound like your parents would meet them (too young and not requiring overnight carers on site etc). this means they will get less HB/UC in due course and will have to make up any shortfall in the rent money from other money coming in. All council housing and housing associations I know of have money advice departments, they are well up on the details of this and are worth contacting.

    jota180
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    Its not surprising it’s confusing, everyone being the Labour Party and the BBC. It’s a cut in benefits for some people.

    And David Cameron – PMQs 6/2/13

    I don’t accept the bedroom tax is a tax – it’s an issue about benefit

    Premier Icon winstonsmith
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    I was going to write a long reply, but svete’s link probably hsa all the info you/your parents need

    hoodie
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    It only applies to working age social housing tenants so if you are at the state pension credit qualifying age or older it wont affect you.

    https://www.gov.uk/calculate-state-pension

    Use that to work out state pension age qualfiying date…and look at your local councils website for details on how it affects working age benefit claimants.

    Thanks guys looks like this will affect them, I guess when it comes in they will have to decide what’s best for them which will probably mean moving house.

    Premier Icon midlifecrashes
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    which will probably mean moving house.

    She now helps with our kids during the day (mine,sisters and auntie’s) as nursey cost an arm and a leg.

    Not if you pay them even a fraction of the going rate for childcare, should be more than enough to make up a fraction of council house rent.

    (Get a feeling I’ve been trolled here)

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    I guess when it comes in they will have to decide what’s best for them which will probably mean moving house.

    Thats the flaw in all this – it presumes the available housing stock fits the size and shapes of households that require housing. Here the council and housing association are still moving single people into 2 and 3 bedrooms houses even though those people will be penalised in a few weeks time – because 2 and 3 bedroom house are the only houses that are here.

    aP
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    Can’t the 3 siblings chip in together to cough up the difference especially as your mother is providing free child care?
    I don’t know how much social rents are but I imagine that they’re significantly lower than commercial residential ones.

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    This ludicrous, ideologically-driven policy is already having some fairly perverse effects. In Wigan for example, the only housing stock available is 2 and 3 bedroom council houses. So people are being forced to downsize to flats. But the only flats available are in the private rented sector, which is considerably more expensive. I expect this is the case with an awful lot of local authorities

    So now the housing benefit is having to cover the increased private rents. So this ridiculously ill-conceived policy, apparently designed to save money, is going to send the housing benefit bill souring once again. But hey ho – the (tory voting?) private landlords will be making plenty.

    This was never really about saving money, its just about further demonising, then punishing those who have the misfortune to be poor. And redistributing taxpayers money into the pockets of those who already have plenty 🙄

    Premier Icon footflaps
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    This was never really about saving money, its just about further demonising, then punishing those who have the misfortune to be poor. And redistributing taxpayers money into the pockets of those who already have plenty

    That is the prime purpose of the Conservative party – redistribution of wealth, from the poor to the rich.

    My dad no longer works as he had a works related accident and they said he needed to have his leg amputated, but him being of an older generation refused and is now on pain killers.
    My mum doesn’t work either, she used to have a good job before we came along but couldn’t get the same quality of job after leaving to be a full time mum.(3 of us)
    She now helps with our kids during the day (mine,sisters and auntie’s) as nursey cost an arm and a leg.

    😐

    Premier Icon matt_outandabout
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    Can’t the 3 siblings chip in together to cough up the difference especially as your mother is providing free child care?

    Seems reasonable.

    This ludicrous, ideologically-driven policy is already having some fairly perverse effects. In Wigan for example, the only housing stock available is 2 and 3 bedroom council houses. So people are being forced to downsize to flats. But the only flats available are in the private rented sector, which is considerably more expensive. I expect this is the case with an awful lot of local authorities

    So now the housing benefit is having to cover the increased private rents. So this ridiculously ill-conceived policy, apparently designed to save money, is going to send the housing benefit bill souring once again. But hey ho – the (tory voting?) private landlords will be making plenty.

    This was never really about saving money, its just about further demonising, then punishing those who have the misfortune to be poor. And redistributing taxpayers money into the pockets of those who already have plenty

    Post a picture of a Tory tarmacing over a poor person please Binners.

    Premier Icon binners
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    I’ll put something together with Eric Pickles mincing up poor people and putting them into Iceland frozen lasagna

    Zulu-Eleven
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    But the only flats available are in the private rented sector

    1347 one and two bedroom properties up for swap at the moment within 10 miles of Wigan

    Premier Icon binners
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    and….?

    Is that according to your ever reliable sources of information then Z-11? ie: plucked out of the air? Or from some bizarre uber-right wing website nobody has ever heard of?

    from Channel 4 news t’other night…..

    Wigan and Leigh Housing, the arm’s length company which manages 22,000 social housing properties on behalf of Wigan council, says the ‘bedroom tax’ will not produce savings to the public purse in the region it serves.

    “With some 4,500 tenants affected and little social housing stock available it means it is inevitable households will be forced to move into the more expensive private rented sector,” says Ashley Crumbley, chief executive of Wigan and Leigh Housing.

    Mr Crumbley estimates the welfare bill could go up by £500,000 per year in Wigan, as tenants moving into private accommodation may be able to claim far more in benefits than they currently receive.

    The problem is not confined to Wigan, nor the north of England.

    full report here

    Premier Icon matt_outandabout
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    *whinnys*

    Zulu-Eleven
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    Erm, no Binners its from the website where social tenants can register their homes to swap – you did know that people on council/housing association tenancies are allowed to swap properties didn’t you ❓

    I take it that you think that its better for, as in the vast majority of the country, families with two young kids to be stuck in a first floor two bed flat, whilst a mid fifties couple sits in a four bed house with a garden, with no compulsion whatsoever to move to something the size they need?

    Premier Icon binners
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    So going off the figures there. 4,500 people immediately affected, and your figure of 1347 available for swap. I’m not the best at maths, but that’s the problem sorted then, isn’t it? Oh….erm…. no, hang on a minute….. I make that a few thousand short 🙄

    allthepies
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    Poor people have the internets ? Shocking.

    Premier Icon matt_outandabout
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    “With some 4,500 tenants affected and little social housing stock available it means it is inevitable households will be forced to move into the more expensive private rented sector,” says Ashley Crumbley, chief executive of Wigan and Leigh Housing.

    CEO of housing corporation making sweeping statements predicting the future in attempt to get more money to build more sh*t houses shocker.

    Zulu-Eleven
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    4,500 people Binners

    that’s number of people

    not number of properties

    and bearing in mind it would also include those downsizing from four to three rooms etc

    and also bearing in mind that some of those people might think that fourteen quid a week for a spare room is a bargain – hell, you can’t even rent a 5×5 room at lok n’ store for that

    Do you think that its better for the taxpayer to be paying for people to live in properties that are far bigger than they need?

    You know what, I’ve got no real problem with it being called a ‘bedroom tax’ if that’s what the lefties want to do – but lets be slightly more accurate and call it a ‘spare bedroom tax’

    jota180
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    Do you think that its better for the taxpayer to be paying for people to live in properties that are far bigger than they need?

    Buck house may be an extreme case maybe but what’s the current cost to the taxpayer for grace and favour homes?

    rudebwoy
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    but lets be slightly more accurate and call it a ‘spare bedroom tax’

    z 11– i live in a three bedroom house, one room can take a double bed, the other two only a single or bunks–they are ‘box’ rooms– because my daughters are under 16– it is deemed they share , when one of them reaches 16 then we are permitted a seperate room– are you serious in your views or just ideologically driven to regurgitate drivel ??

    Zulu-Eleven
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    Very nice for you

    I live in a two bedroom flat, with my disabled twelve year old daughter, as a full time working single parent.

    when my eldest daughter comes to stay they share – when they lived together they had bunks, in fact I’m sorry to say that I don’t see anything unreasonable whatsoever about two young teenagers having bunk beds, and I would suggest that there’s a shed load of parents on this forum whose teenage kids share a room, and who cannot afford anything bigger, because they’re paying their own rent or mortgage.

    I pay my own rent – apparently we’re paying yours as well!

    If someone offered me another bedroom for sixteen quid a week, I’d think it was a ‘king bargain, I could use it to keep my bikes in.

    Sorry, but this all seems eminently sensible. If “we” are paying people’s housing benefit we should be paying for what they need not what they just fancy – “to each according to their need” as someone famous once said.

    rudebwoy
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    so do we then have to take in a ‘lodger’ to satisfy your twisted logic ?

    you really are a sad case z11 –hopefully you will not need any help in your life…..

    jota180
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    So are people that are affected going to be offered suitable accommodation?
    Or do they have to go and find it?

    In a lot of cases these people won’t have chosen he house they’re in, the local council will have allocated it to them

    Zulu-Eleven
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    Hey, we all need help at sometime in our lives rudebwoy, me included.

    the question is whether we all deserve to have a three bedroom house paid for by the taxpayer if we don’t need it, while everyone else has to scrimp and save to make ends meet and pay their rent.

    Personally, If I was in the situation of relying on the state to pay my way, I’d be thankful to get provided with what I needed when there are so many people without – rather than acting like an ungrateful child, telling anonymous taxpayers that I deserved something they couldn’t afford for themselves because of my overdeveloped sense of entitlement.

    jota180
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    ather than acting like an ungrateful child, telling anonymous taxpayers that I deserved something they couldn’t afford for themselves because of my overdeveloped sense of entitlement.

    Just like the recipients of the grace and favour residences then?

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