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  • ooOOoo
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    Just one part of MTBing I cannot get excited about.
    A 3 speed hammershimdt though, that would be progress.

    IanMunro
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    Are comments now blocked on the STW page?
    Anyway WTF is 'a more stable drivechain for any type of rider!" ?
    Did it make more sense in the original German powerpoint slides 🙂

    cynic-al
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    LOL about how it's a new system, way of shifting etc and not hjust the addition of a 10th cog.

    BS!

    poppa
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    They seem to have discontinued the SLX rear mech in GS form! That seems a bit bloody stupid.

    KINGTUT
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    Damn I was hoping for a double specific front mech.

    Premier Icon vinnyeh
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    This revolutionary technology not uses a 10-speed cassette, but that is not the only feature of this new system

    Can't see much mention of any other new features, let alone see what's revolutionary.

    as cynic-al, marketing bs.

    Premier Icon njee20
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    Don't get what they're doing with the chainset, sticking with a triple, with the associated wider q-factor and bad chainlines, and yet narrowing the available ratios!

    packer
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    The Alfine 11 is about a thousand times more exciting than this announcement.

    Premier Icon nuke
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    I'll get it at some point as I should imagine it will become the new 'standard' but really couldn't care…I set my bikes up with the high and low gear ratios I need and having an extra gear in-between those ratios really makes no difference to me.

    thomthumb
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    SHIMANO

    when will you listen we DO NOT WANT closer ratios, more sprockets and a narrower chain

    we WANT a MORE RELIABLE system theat allows year round round geared use through the mud. wide physical spacing, wide chain and less ratios would probably be ideal

    foxyrider
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    Its all about performance

    – Sounds like a you tube video I saw once 😉

    Premier Icon njee20
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    I must admit at first glance they do seem to have missed the point rather!

    I can't imagine they'd be that far wrong, I suspect a double chainset may still come along.

    Premier Icon ahwiles
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    seriously, how do we change this? – i'm sure that some people love 9speed systems, and will love the new 10speed systems. but i would love an alternative '5-gears-nicy-and-chunky-so-they-work' system.

    is this another uk-specific thing?

    Bring back 7 speed stx rc

    poppa
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    This stuff does look different to the, *ahem* covertly distributed information that was doing the rounds before.

    GeeWavetree
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    So to go shimano 10 speed i would need a new cassette and rear shifter?
    Lose 1 chainring upfront and go 26/38 or similar – jobs a good un?

    Premier Icon njee20
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    And a new chain, but yes.

    GeeWavetree
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    nowt to get excited about imo.

    clubber
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    It does seem strange that there are no doubles and no double mechs – hopefully they'll be a second stage press release.

    shermer75
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    So. XTR is their cutting edge, 'for race only' gruppo where all the best of the very best stuff happens. And that's staying 9-speed. What does that say exactly?

    KINGTUT
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    It does seem strange that there are no doubles and no double mechs

    They really are missing a trick if they do not release a double front mech capable of shifting over bigger rings than 36T.

    IanMunro
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    It might say that shimano haven't announced all the new stuff yet, then again it might not 🙂

    tinsy
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    Why would everyone assume that because sram went 10×2 that Shimano would?

    Premier Icon miketually
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    But 10 is one more than 9. It's one better.

    clubber
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    Because it's very clearly the main benefit of going from 9 to 10 speed.

    Premier Icon ampthill
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    Why sell you a double this year when they can do that next year?

    avdave2
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    we WANT a MORE RELIABLE system theat allows year round round geared use through the mud.

    That would be the Alfine 11 speed wouldn't it?

    tinsy
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    clubber, I dont see why the 10 made it logical to go 2×10 when you only have the same overall spread of gears, in fact still only the same spread as 8 speed too, just slightly closer ratios.

    I would like to have it explained.

    shermer75
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    Aaaah, I hadn't realised that xtr hadn't been released yet. Oops! Might reserve a little bickering grease for when that comes out then…

    Premier Icon njee20
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    Average 8 speed cassette: 11-28

    Average 9 speed cassette: 11-32

    Average 10 speed cassette: 11-36

    There were of course bigger 8 speed ones, and 11-34 9 speed ones have become more popular recently.

    Going 2×8 would mean a pretty tall bottom gear, or small rings and a low top gear. The wider spread of a 10 speed 11-36 cassette means you can have a wider range of gears on a double crank without crazy intermediate jumps.

    Actually, I 'get' the chainset.

    I don't race, but like doing long days over rough terrain, often with my camping gear.

    That means i appreciate lots of gears, especially low ones, and don't need the high ratio of 44×11. Using a 42 big ring also means that I'll use the big ring slightly more often, and also use it in slightly smaller sprockets, instead of just sitting in big ring/fifth sprocket like I usually do.

    In theory this should actually result in slightly longer drivetrain life than I'm used to, probably not what Shimano intended! 😀

    tinsy
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    er fairly sure shimano already make an 11-36 9 speed cassette, I have only ever ran 11-34 (though I am going to try an 11-28 when I get chance.) I acually have felt for ages the jump in gears between 1–34 cassettes is too much for the bits n bobs of racing I do, for general riding though its fine. so closer ratios would have suited me more a 10 speed 11-34 would probably be about my ideal, wether I would drop a front ring I dont know not dabbled with that, though I did rather enjoy 1×9.

    However if the 11-36 is now the new standard cassette I do see why would assume the swap to 2×10

    Premier Icon njee20
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    They do a 12-36, consequently with bigger gaps between the rings and the loss of a top gear.

    Probably doesn't matter to most, but if it does, 10 speed will solve it.

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