Are all fork companies useless?
I know bike kit sees a lot of abuse and little maintenance (well mine anyway) but reading some of the horror stories on here….
lyrics with leaking air chambers
marzocchis going from amazing to poo
someone saying their wotans were pants
pace being made of soft cheese
mantou, who are they?
fox needing to be stripped after every ride and an anodizing dissapearing in minutes
are fork manufacturers just pants??
ive owned marzocchis- heavy but had no problemsPosted 8 years ago
and fox- great forks but the stanchions are scratched to bitsbrakesMember
competition breeds new products without enough development
rising manufacturing and materials costs leads to corners being cut
end result is quality/design issues
hopefully the recession will be a good opportunity for manufacturers to rethink their strategies and maybe come up with some decent, reliable mid-range products (think Shimano SLX) that work, without all the fragile bells and whistles and premium price tagsPosted 8 years agoDoctorRadSubscriber
At Bike 2000 I think it was, I remember sitting at the next table to G*y K*st*v*n and some American from a fork manufacturer whose name rhymes with Pock Cox.
The American was basically saying “…well, you *know* we can’t make forks which will stand up to British conditions…”
‘Nuff said… though I’ve heard they’ve come on in leaps and bounds since they were taken over by SRAM?Posted 8 years agoturnipMember
Its because you expect the world for bugger all cost. Consumer driven markets always end up the spout, its how the credit crunch happens.
People want a totally slick and buttery fork but do not want to believe this requires maintinence. If you can design a seal which can do this with zero maintinence while being jetwashed and blasted with harsh chemicals and windtunneled at 90 on the back of your audi…. Then you will be a multi billionaire!
Shame its not physicaly possible. You try jetwashing the internals of your engine and then adding gritty mud etc
PS my forks have lasted years and have no servicing, they are manitou. Its because i clean them when the mud is wet with some plain water and thats it.Posted 8 years agobrakesMember
I wouldn’t call £600-800 ‘bugger all cost’Posted 8 years ago
forks have been reliable in the past, I would say 3/4 years ago Marzocchi were the ultimate fit and forget fork – why not now? in fact my two suspension forks are Marzocchis from 2005 and 2006 and the older ones have only just been stripped down this year and the others I haven’t toucheddavidtaylforthMember
Its all driven by fashion and weight. Everyone wants light parts for their bike but unfortunately an open oil bath design like marzocchi used to do was heavy due too all the oil in them.
Id prefer to have a fork that weighed 1/2lb more but didnt require servicing for a year.
I think the 2010 marzocchis are looking promising as they are going back to the orinigal design supposedlyPosted 8 years agoSwiftacularMember
Ive had a pair of Pace RC41’s for over two years, and bar none, they are the best forks ive ever had. No service issues, no faults, just work perfectly. New rockshox are almost faultless also (at least the ones ive got/had).Posted 8 years ago
Maybe im just lucky, but ive been given no cause to complain.
I am also one of those that cleans my bike when its freshly dirty, and no jetwashing, maybe that helps.JonEdwardsMember
Ive had a pair of Pace RC41’s for over two years, and bar none, they are the best forks ive ever had. No service issues, no faults, just work perfectly
<<rolls round on floor laughing hysterically>>
I have a pair of them too. Not exactly had the same experience! If they hadn’t cost me so much, yet now be worth so little they would have got flogged on ages back.Posted 8 years agorobbo1234bikingSubscriber
My Marzocchis have been on my bike for a year now and I haven’t touched them once to do any maintenance. they were only supposed to be a cheap stop gap but as long as they keep working I cant see the point in replacing or doing anything with them. They are pretty heavy etc but work perfect for what I need. Maybe it is the newer technologies which are struggling as they haven’t had time to be fully testedPosted 8 years ago
The sealing on modern day forks is crap because the travel has gone up and weight come down at the expense of durability! Service intervals of 15 hours are ridiculous and negate any warranty issues for the manufacturer.
I have had dirt get past the seal on my lyrics on one ride and mark the legs. And when I sent them back they said that they hadn’t serviced them enough (*cough* **** off). I guess once every two weeks isn’t enough!
Annoyingly, all the manufacturers are the same so I can’t just boycott Rock ShoxPosted 8 years agohoraMember
First 125 Vanillas when they came out, developed play in bushings. 32 TALAS later- started packing down and needed pulling apart with force. 36’s in 2004. End cap of boltthrough on one end rotates the same way as the bolt though itself (it was held on with locktite). NWMB charged me for a new bolt through- otherwise I’d say they performed better ‘on the bike’ than the others?
I still wouldnt buy another pair for as long as I live with the pathetic servicing schedule/warranty.Posted 8 years agophiljuniorMember
I’ve got a nice pair of 2001 Marzocchi’s and another pair of 2005 ones that haven’t needed touching. The 2001 pair have outlasted 2 frames without yet needing a service.
Rode a hire bike with some of last year’s Marzocchi offerings and they were utterly rubbish unfortunately. 4″ out of 6″ travel, didn’t feel right at all, 20mm bolt through axle was a bit wobbly giving just a touch of vibration I could feel that put me off a little bit (well not on the really rocky stuff, but on the slightly rough bits was annoying). I really hope they get the QC sorted out sometime soon so I can spend lots of money on MTB parts again 🙂Posted 8 years ago
When you consider what we had to put up with just a few short years ago, I think modern forks are amazing:
Posted 8 years agoTandemJeremyMember
Of course it is possible to build forks that last – motorcycle ones don’t fail or need servicing so rapidly. However this does not provide the turnover for the manufacturers.
Hard chroming would help but I guess would need steel stanchions hence weight
I have 3 sets of zocchis – all still perfect after years of abuse – ( although we did still need to have one set repaired after some serious tandem abuse.) Annual oil changes is their lot
I have a set of foxes bought cheap second hand with worn out bushes and stanchions
1 set of pikes – no problems but need the regular servicing ( but not as often as foxes.)
Mountainbikers accept many parts with poor longevity that would not be accepted in any other vehicle. I simply don’t understand why people continue to buy fox forks for example.Posted 8 years agotinsyMember
Yup Tora’s and a few cheaper forks have chrome but I doubt its hardchrome, that usually has a ground finish to it, but the steel stanchions its on is part of the weight penalty. A quick Google has revealed its not possible to apply it to the ally of higher end forks.
I don’t suppose this is a definitive answer but:-
It would be possible to have great forks & that last, but with that extra weight, I don’t know of any made that way though, but right now the more expensive and better performing stuff has anodizing.Posted 8 years ago
My forks have a nickel coating:
Not quite as hard as chrome though.Posted 8 years agonickcSubscriber
Thing is, you’re only really ever going to get posts on sites like this written by folk who’s forks have failed for some reason. Hardly ever do you get threads that start “My Forks have been faultless for years” . So relying on STW for unbiased fork reportage is pretty daft.Posted 8 years ago
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