Anyone ridden the Mojo Nicolai yet?
Ok, not sure who the Sheffield rider is. Lots of people riding a std GeoMetron!
I am mostly. I just like the 29 front, which in 155mm setup requires no anglesets or bushes to use a 29 or 27.5 rear wheel if you felt like the 29 version was better for longer more pedally rides or indeed just preferred it.
Haven’t used an angleset on a G16 since we introduced the 16/17 with 62 HA with the 180mm fork.
The most popular setup is still std geoMetron with 27.5 front and rear.
What are the downsides, erm, its 2lb heaver than a carbon bike. not the cheapest frame out there.
Thats about it.
You can build it to about 30lbs all up with light wheels and tyres or 31.5lbs with stronger wheels/tyres, incl pedals.
Its likely to outlast a nuclear attack.
For £200 you can tray any permutation you like and get the attention of a suspension and setup specialist then get it deducted off the cost, best investment in deciding if it’s for you.
The weight is not an issue in my book and I’m old and not that fit!Posted 6 months ago
Ok, ok. I want one. I think.
I really, really need to ride one. No way I can get to south Wales for a proper demo any time in the near future.
In the meantime, if I see that local one flying past again I’ll give chase. Let’s see if I can catch him on my 26″ Bfe.Posted 6 months agodeviantMember
What’s the MTB company that used to recommend asymmetric wheel sizes based on a riders height?….i always liked that idea, made sense to me.Posted 6 months ago
My own experiments of putting 26 inch wheels in the back of 650b bikes has worked well, it drops the BB, and further slackens out the front, in fact it’s how I’ll be running my bike in the Trail Bike category of next year’s BDS.
Generally recommending getting to 62deg as a balance of slack and not requiring extra attention to lowers servicing to keep the fork running sweet.
-2 on a G13 brings it to 62.5 and a 77 seat angle with a 335mm BB. Spot on. 62 for the LT version with 150mm front, 148mm rear.
Pre 2016, 73mm BB G16s with a std 63 HA with the 180mm fork benefit from a -1 headset in my opinion.
How does it change the ride. 63 and below gives a noticeably quicker steering response and corner initiation at speed due to the increased flop, it pushes the front further out and allows significant weighting to drive grip on the front and carve with a reduced risk of tucking the front.
Not everyone likes the slow speed flop/rapid drop or turn. You kind of let it turn and stop it rather than turning against resistance (its how I think of it)
The 29 front with 44mm offset at 62deg balances that out Vs the 27.5 interestingly and i think creates a really nicely weighted, progressive and responsive front even at these very slack angles and mid offsets.Posted 6 months ago
At the point of hitting the button on a bike here , just stressing about the bb height on the g16 with 29 wheels ,is 350 mm the lowest it will go, I am coming of a bike that was 340 mm and loved it . My question is, will there be a change for the 2018 models on the geo ?Posted 6 months ago
Like most other brands there is a compromise on the bb height to accommodate both wheel sizes , any advise would be much appreciated.ShandySubscriber
What was the other bike?
I wouldn’t get too worked up about the static BB height, the G16 has a bit more travel to get through anyway. The 29 wheels, front centre and chainstay will all make the bike more stable. The right head angle and BB drop will both make it easier to turn.
You were talking about going “over” to Mojo, if you mean over from Ireland I’ve a G13 with a -2 angleset and an original G16 you could maybe try.Posted 6 months ago
to save trawling through the whole thread.. I’ve tested it, as has Chris with several BB heights.
Based on my past experience with LT and slack 29ers and designing the Ion15 I expected taller BB height than the 27.5 with 29 wheels to facilitate side to side manoeuvrability and aid braking weight transfer.
Chris convinced me not to do that initially as he reckoned the BS BB (335mm0340mm) the same as the 27.5 would be the daddy.
So I was riding with the lower BB (It is easy to configure with 1 or 2 bushes, depending on preference) and switching between the 29 and the hybrid. I found I was having to steer the 29 at the rear with my hips in tighter corners and initiating turns and wasn’t keen on that. We tried messing with the suspension/rebound trying to find something to take the feeling away. I even wondered if it was to do with the oval ring.
I then decided to revert back to the higher BB at 350mm. It was a transformation, much nicer, more neutral feel all round, I didn’t feel it was hard to get stopped and never gave the side to side agility a thought.
As mentioned by Shandy, Chris and I think this is a lot to do with the dynamic ride height and the steering axis. No definitive answers but the result of the higher BB for me was a 29er I enjoyed riding rather than one that frustrated me.
The GeoMetron does sit into its travel and then hit quite firm support at the sag point.
Interestingly 350mm delivers the same BB drop as the 27.5 version.
Summary is if you want to drop the BB you can get it to 340mm in 155 travel setting. That low isn’t possible with 170mm rear travel. you can deliver 350mm with the 170mm.
In terms of will the geo change. If I was being picky I’d increase the SA to 78deg static, but it would make no difference in the real world.Posted 6 months agotommMember
Im Stamford Lincs with a medium G16 if you want sit on one
I’m in Sheffield mate, thanks for the offer.
If you want to come and sample any of the many, many local delights I’d be glad to show you around. As long as I could take your bike through a few jumps and boulder fields 😉
I think I’d want a medium (Longer). Even if I’m not going all out size wise, it would still be vastly longer than my last DH bike and I didn’t consider that thing slow at the time.
I’m also confused about colour. I wanted to build the blackest bike of all time. Completley de-stickered, logo free, goth chariot. But some of the shiny alloy ones look amazing. I might put a little colour in my life.Posted 5 months ago
Must admit I am toying with the idea of building a G19 perhaps with some 180mm 36s.
Use it as a DH bike I can cruise back up the fire road.
I’d rather have a full bore G19 with 40’s and a dropper post! Considering some people are running G16’s with 40’s anyway.
The G19 looks amazing. But I’ve just sold a DH bike and I need to resist going down that route again. This is a very smart looking bike…Posted 5 months ago
one at the weekend would’nt fit on the uplift trailer
I just heard this the other day. Someone said the uplift at Revolution turned him away with his extra longest G16 because it wouldn’t fit.
That would be a bummer. It’s a long way to Wales to realise you wasted your time and money.
I’ve got an uplift day booked at BPW in November and I’d be on at least a Longer G16.Posted 5 months agoShandySubscriber
I’ve had my Longest on at least a dozen different trailers since I got it. Most of the proper set-ups have bolts or straps to adjust to the different wheel sizes. After that if everyone loads their bike in the same place every time it all runs smoothly. BPW you could be using a different trailer every time but they have them set up so the longest bikes always go closest to the front of the trailer.Posted 5 months ago
Chris uses his at BPW.
Chris is riding an XXL by the way but wants to do some XXL XL back to backs.
The G19 has a slacker ST too. They didn’t take up our recommendations unfortunately.
You can do just as ku h on a G16 with 40s at 170mm as a G19 bar WC courses and Jacob Reading did those initially.Posted 5 months ago
So the G16 can get to the same geometry as the G19? The chainstays are longer in the G19 and the reach longer on the G16. What’s the impact only either on handling?
I’ve preferred my G13 slacker with a shortened reach of the angleset. This is why the G19 intrigues me.Posted 5 months agoalheginbothamMember
chain line? hi been following this thread regarding the 29er g16 I’m definitely interested. so am i right in saying if i have my fork lowers swapped to 29er lowers and travel adjusted from 180 to 160, and put 2 offset bushes on my 170 travel shock i can run it as a lt 29er with the same bb drop as currently is as a g16 mojo special addition? if so how does it compare in trail to trail feel, faster, easier,slower harder? i have no idea as i have no experience with 29er bikes. must say i love the bike as is and don’t want to embark on a path if it is going to upset what i have. oh one last thing, whats the deal with the angled headset and why? many thanks al.Posted 5 months ago
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