Have you been tested? NHS or private?

Any recommendations for alternatives to butter, cheese and milk?

As always, thanks. 🙂

i think i am – i’ve got all the symptoms.

i asked my gp about it, he sent me to see a psychiatrist.

Cheese: go to a supermarket (Sainsburys, Tesco and Waitrose are good) you will be able to find all sorts of goat/sheep cheese.

look for Manchego, Ossau iraty, and often a nice Camembert. My local waitrose has a sheeps milk gouda and a Swaledale, which are both lovely,

Milk: goats milk is available, but i’m not sure i like it, alpro soya milk is very nice on cereal, and in coffee / hot chocolate.

butter: i get on ok with flora – but iirc it does have some milk in it, you can get something called ‘pure’ – which contains no milk.

often you can get by without butter, the family refused to believe that the cheese sause in yesterdays lasagne was made from only soya milk, flour, and st helens goat cheese.

Its more common than you might think, Gianni Bungno was lacto intolerant , A national time trial champion is the same, i just cannt do milk as it makes my skin really itchy. I would easily get by without butter and milk but being a veg i need cheese. I would avoid the soya stuff as its massively processed.

My daughter is. You can get goats butter in waitrose, plenty of goat and sheep milk cheeses are incredibly tasty. Goats milk or soya milk are also commonly available.

Not been tested IIRC but an immediate rash appeared every time she had milk. Butter isn’t so bad.

GP just wanted to make sure it wasn’t Chron’s.

Goats cheese, Sheeps cheese all available in the supermarkets. Try the hard goats for a handy alternative to cheddar.

Alpro soya light is the best milk I find. The chocolate version is great after a ride.

Marg

PURE
Vitalite

Milk substitute
Almond Milk – by far the tastiest but expensive [1.50 a litre ish]
Rice Milk
Soya Milk
Oat Milk

Most of the above is available in any large supermarket tbh

Helath food only
Cheese – I would not really bother with a vegan one as they taste of nothing and are expensive

Scheese
Toffutti – grated is good for melting but tastes of nothing
Toffutti cheese spread – passable but about £3 a tub
Cheezley

Soya yoghurt tastes like yoghurt but is about £1 for four tubs
EDIT:
One day I will read the soya light nutrition stats but soya has no cholesterol so I cannot imagine there is much difference between light and normal tbh

Any recommendations for alternatives to butter, cheese and milk?

Sausages, haribo and cider.

My mum is, there is a range of products now called lactofree (cheese, milk, cream, butter). Another thing she has just been told about is an enzyme that breaks gown lactose. Holland and Barrett sell it, it allows you to eat dairy products without the bad side effects. She tried it for the first time recently and it seemed to work.

Test will find allergy not intolerance. If you don’t get on with it, stop.
Don’t do soya milk, do Almond milk.
Tofu really bad unless fermented (tempeh).
FFS don’t do margerine. Poison.
But I’d stop eating bread and muesli and porridge before stopping milk, my other intolerances (including what I thought was a milk one) went away when I stopped those.

Not sure if this helps but you could try this stuff A2 Milk?

Tofu really bad unless fermented (tempeh).

Tempeh is not Tofu though they are both made from the soya bean

I would get tested if I were you, you will know much better where you stand and give you more options. My son is allergic to cows milk protein, so we use Pure spread (aka axle grease) and replace milk with soya milk, works fine for most stuff, pancakes, mash etc but never ever try to make Yorkshire puds with soya milk, eeuuurgh!
He was tested again a couple of weeks back and the nurse reckons good strong cheese may be ok anyway as the lactose and caseins (protein) should be dead.
The difficult thing is when you eat out, milk or butter is present in almost everything and really cuts down your choices. How does it affect you? Upset tummy, throwing up, etc.

About 5% of the adult european population is lactose intolerant. In other racial backgrounds the proportion is much higher. It results from a reduction in the production of a gut enzyme called lactase which breaks down lactose and without it the lactose cannot be absorbed and heads on down the gut fermenting nicely as it goes. Humans are AFAIR the only species whose adults persist in being able to digest lactose. The fact that a large chunk of humanity is lactose intolerant means that there is a significant school of thought that feels it is simply a variant of normal rather than a disease as such. There are tests, eg. Hydrogen Breath Test, but most people don’t bother because it isn’t a disease and if altering the diet deals with the problem then that is pretty diagnostic.

The amount of lactose in cow, goat and sheep’s milk is very similar, human milk contains rather more, so in the case of lactose intolerance switching to goat’s cheese etc. should not make much of a difference other than the fact that it tends to be a lot more expensive and as a result people eat less of it. As lactose intolerance is usually partial, in other words people can usually tolerate some lactose without geting symptoms, a reduction in intake of dairy products can usually deal with the problem.

There is also a condition called cows milk protein intolerance which is a true allergy rather than being as a result of a failure to produce adequate amounts of lactase. If you get gut symptoms with cows milk but goat/sheep etc. is fine then cows milk protein intolerance is probably your problem. Again the diagnosis/treatment is through altering diet.

milk or butter is present in almost everything and really cuts down your choices.

Most Asian food – Chinese type stuff is fine as they dont eat milk as arule

Curries are fine if you can be sure they dont use Ghee

some pasta can be fine as well

Yes its a limited choice/diet

Self diagnosed lactose intolerant here, found out that milk, cream etc were making me really ill, cutting them out of my diet really helped.

I drink Oatly (oat drink/milk), which makes fantastic porridge.
You can get Vitalite or Pure margarine/spreads but they’re not very nice compared to butter.

I can tolerate butter, cheese and cottage cheese (all in moderation).. these seem to contain the least amount of lactose in dairy products.. see Wikipedia for more info.

Thanks for all the replies chaps and chapesses, this place is a mine of information!

Just been out in the canoe to supermarket and have come back with Lacto-free milk and cheese plus butter substitute. This Lacto-free brand not dairy-free but the worst bits taken out apparently.

The prices are shocking and frankly will just have to manage without some things. For example, dairy-free frozen yoghurt £3.50. 😯

Of course there is a school of thought that milk is for calves, not people. ratadog – would be most interested to hear your views on this.

Also in the process of going gluten-free and that has proved interesting!

no, i’m just plain intolerant………… 😉

Hi CG

Also in the process of going gluten-free and that has proved interesting!

Go on then…… I’m intrigued?

I was dairy (casein) intolerant until i went GF.

I still get it from time to time, i.e. after a stomach bug or eating gluten inadvertently. So for me i suspect its due to inflammation in the gut.

I went private for my tests as didnt think a psychiatrist would be much help!

Swedish glace is milk free ice cream

no idea re frozen Yoghurt [ never had it milk free or otherwise] but alpro soya yoghurt is about £1.20 a large tub

Aye its all dearer than the milk alternative and less tasty IME.

“Rice dream” branded rice milk…. Yum
Friends who i’ve made try some has been surprised and really liked it.

ratadog
There is also a condition called cows milk protein intolerance which is a true allergy rather than being as a result of a failure to produce adequate amounts of lactase. If you get gut symptoms with cows milk but goat/sheep etc[b]. is fine then cows milk protein intolerance is probably your problem. Again the diagnosis/treatment is through altering diet.

Finding this to be very interesting.

My wee grand daughter(18mths) was a screamer from birth. She was initially breast fed and them moved on to various formula milks and now soya. By a process of elimination she has been found to be highly sensitive to dairy products or anything containing traces of dairy products. Mum and Dad have to read all labels carefully and anyone looking after her gets the “script/riot act” read to them on what she can or cannot eat. Another symptom she shows is severe bloating, her face and tongue can also swell!!!

Otherwise she is a happy, cheeky, bright wee button, butter wouldn`t melt in mouth kind of girl 😆

So if you have any more info you could impart on this issue ratadog we would be most grateful 😆
What my daughter is worried about is long term use of soya milk?

Thanks

the only “worry” i am aware of long term soya milk use is that it contains estrogen – then again so does our water [from the pill iirc] and unlikely to be harmful to a female but tbh I dont know for sure

Some arguments about reduced protein in soya v cows milk and also calcium but most is fortified these days so that is not much of a point tbh

I listed other types above and tend to use them – kids dont like soya milk as a rule

I am a vegan with vegan [male] kids.
VIVA will give some [ not impartial pro vegan site] information

If you can get hold of it try raw (unpasteurised) milk. You have to get it from an approved farm as it cannot be sold on for resale. Pasteurisation kills various enzymes which aid the digestion of lactose. I have read various studies in which lactose intolerant people have been given raw cows and have had no ill effects. A friend of mine who is normally lactose intolerant also makes yoghurt from it and eats a couple of ltrs a week of it!

Trekster, there was an article earlier this year claiming that too much soya consumption can cause other food allergies.

But IIRC it was totally inconclusive and was most likely linked to the fact that if kids are eating soya milk etc its probably due to the fact that they or their parents are already aware of intolerance to dairy etc in the family, hence the use of soya as a substitute.

I don’t eat cheese or butter but use goats milk and i’m fine i very rarely have milk though,just in coffee etc.

I don’t miss out but now have fun with it, if people laugh and arn’t tolerent of it i will eat the food they give me then leave them to deal with the consequent. which are generically me winging that y stomach hurts followed by projectile vomiting on there carpet. Then its over. They’ll only say your being fussy once thats for sure.

Go on then…… I’m intrigued?

Hi FieldMarshall. I’m treating my health as a jigsaw! I stopped all non-gf bread for around two weeks but in a moment of weakness, I bought a Petit Parisienne from Waitrose. They are delicious but, my goodness, did my insides protest!!

This is an attempt to heal my gut, blood has been tested for many things and vit/iron levels are now as they should be.

So do you eat any dairy now? How do you find following a g-f diet?

Lol at the psychiatrist comment. 😆

If you can get hold of it try raw (unpasteurised) milk… Pasteurisation kills various enzymes which aid the digestion of lactose. I have read various studies in which lactose intolerant people have been given raw cows and have had no ill effects. A friend of mine who is normally lactose intolerant also makes yoghurt from it and eats a couple of ltrs a week of it!

on the other hand…

my problem was picked up by my parents when i was about 7, after a school trip to a local dairy farm, we’d each been given a pint of still-warm milk to take home and ‘treat’ the family, i proceeded to re-paint house in bunder.

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Lol at the psychiatrist comment.

“sorry, but why are you here? – she asked

“i was hoping you could tell me…”

milk, it’s funny stuff.

my goodness, did my insides protest!!

Ah yes, that sounds familiar dairy has the same effect on me when i’m dairy intolerant. As per the last few weeks after having the norovirus.

So yes, i still eat dairy but avoid milk, as i just got used to not having it and as you say its generally considered to not be good for adults.

Gluten has a totally different effect. Flu like symptoms, headaches, aching joints, swollen glands, ie autoimmune type reaction.

GF diet is fine at home. Always cooked from scratch anyway, so just substituted stuff. I also dont bother with GF bread etc, apart from one day per week, as ive also cut out processed carbs which has really helped my blood sugar levels.

Eating out is harder. But ive noticed a big increase in choice/awareness over last 2 of 3 years.

but why get gluten free bread and all the other substitutes ? They’re processed to hell.
Eat real food, but beware, e.g. many meats are fattened on grains so the fat profile is awful so get grass-fed beef /lamb.

So tonight is grass-fed turkey leftovers with 3 veg. No substitutes there. Breakfast is fruit followed by eggs, lunch is salad and fish. Nothing there either. Green tea needs no milk, neither does espresso. Simples – and the best of luck, nothing beats having good guts.

Trekster I would suggest asking your GP to refer her to the paediatric dept of your local hospital for a consultancy and hopefully a skin prick test. My son has a casein (cows milk protein) allergy and this is how it was pinned down, they will also test for other possibles such as egg, soya etc. One in three kids has issues with cows milk, eggs and soya are the next most common allergies/ intolerances.

We are on long term soya milk and looks like we will be for several more years at least as his aversion is very strong and he exhibits some of the same symptoms as your grandaughter, specifically swelling in the face but with added projectile vomit thrown in. It sounds like she is having an allergic reaction to me so a trip to the docs would be my advice.

I’m also self diagnosed lactose intolerant.
It started with milkshake I began drinking at night. The last time I drank it I sat down on the sofa whilst on the phone and tried to squeeze out a quiet fart.
I clenched my arse cheeks, and wobbled like a penguin through to the bathroom as fast as I could, preventing any seepage.
Luckily I got to the toilet in time.

I then cut milk out of my diet and felt great. Just to make sure, had a bowl of cereal and it practically flowed through my digestive system and came out within 20mins or so. Viciously.

I now drink Lactofree milk, which is cows milk with half of the lactose (the sugar I think) removed and an additional bacteria to help your digestive system break down the remaining half. It tastes almost identical to normal milk, only slighty less sweet. It’s around £1.25/L so not too shabby. Usually next to the Alpro and such likes. They (folk behind Lactofree) also do butter and cheese, haven’t tried them as I’m ok with a tiny scraping of merge on my toast.

So if you have any more info you could impart on this issue ratadog we would be most grateful
What my daughter is worried about is long term use of soya milk?

Sorry, slow to get back to this and catfood has beaten me to it.

Trekster I would suggest asking your GP to refer her to the paediatric dept of your local hospital for a consultancy and hopefully a skin prick test.

I am not a specialist in kids/allergy but the above is correct AFAIK. About 1 in 50 kids can get Cows milk protein allergy but most grow out of it so les than 1 in 1000 adults have any issues.

Allergy UK has some useful info on their website here and NICE ( National Institute for Clinical Excellence ) has produced guidelines for doctors and the NHS about the diagnosis and management of food allergies in children. That includes cows milk protein intolerance and other food allergies but not lactose intolerance because as we have already established that is a natural variant not a disease and yes, cg, cows milk is designed for calves not people but surely only fairly convinced creationists could take the view that any of our diet has been created for us to eat as its primary purpose.

catfood – Member
Trekster I would suggest asking your GP to refer her to the paediatric dept of your local hospital for a consultancy and hopefully a skin prick test.

Cheers guys.

The above has been taken care of.

Daughter having done a fair bit of research is concerned re the calcium deficiency. Little one is being monitored but confidence in the system after the ordeal they went through with elder sons condition has them on edge. Then there are the issues she(daughter) herself has suffered at the hands of various nurses and consultants 🙄

PS….I come from a long line of farm workers, drinking milk as a child up to my early teens straight from the cow including doing my own milking at weekends and holidays. This was a long time before chilled storage, think barrels at the end of the road 🙄 I do worry about the stuff cows are being fed and injected with nowadays 😐

Trekster lots of soya milk now comes with extra vitamins etc, however when Tom was younger he was on Neocate, a hypoallergenic infant formula especially designed for kids with cows milk allergies, discusting stuff but gave him everything he needed in terms of calcium, vits etc, its available on prescription or hellishly expensive, about £25 a tin if I remember correctly, however I think you`re grandaughter may now be getting a little old for that.

What I find odd about this is why do folk get worried about not drinking milk ?

It doesn’t form part of a natural diet and you get your calcium from meat, fish (with bones) and leafy green veg. Once weaned from human milk stay away from it.

Osteoporosis is a disease of milk drinking cultures. All the evidence I need to keep off it.

Another lactose intolerant one here. I find it quite easy to avoid milk and other dairy products. Goats cheese sometimes if I fancy a bit.

Almond milk is my drink of choice, but I don’t shop buy, make it myself. Simpler and cheaper.

I’m not officially lactose intolerant, never been to a GP, or any of that but I do fell a bit rubbish after cheese and milk, so I just started avoiding it and now when I eat some I notice I feel crap. It doesn’t make me poorly, but I just feel sh1t. My other half is the same which helps with meals and food. I used to eat cheese as a kid like it was sweets! Who knows, maybe that didn’t help.

Another one here who is lactose intolerant! I usually drink the lacto free milk but struggle to get any of the other products (Depending on eg yoghurt) my issue is dairy products causes havoc with my allergies. So if I have dairy products I then can’t breathe. White wine also has this effect I’m getting better at avoiding dairy but I love cheese, thing is I regret it the following day when I can’t breathe!!
i also have wheat intolerance so avoid that but the gluten free bread products are absolutely disgusting not to mention ridiculously expensive!! I just avoid wheat but will have a small amount now and then when I fancy it ie pasta. You begin to get better in identifying what works and waht doesn’t! Good luck it’s a mine field to start with.

Our daughter is lactose, soya and egg intolerant. At birth and for the first few years she was strongly intolerant now aged 5 she has some limited tolerance. Has had skin prick tests etc and is not allergic, just intoletant. She was on Neocate formula when younger, now has a combination of lactose free milk and normal milk with colief lactase drops. She can tolerate limited amounts of normal cheese (eg a couple of slices of pizza) but also has the lactose free products. The soya intolerance limits the dairy replacements, for example she can only tolerate two soya yogurts per week, which is a shame as she prefers those to the lactose free ones. We just have to manage the amount of dairy, soya and egg she consumes, normally avoid products with these as a primary ingredient but OK with smaller amounts. Although her tolerance has increased in the past couple of years I expect her intake will have to be managed to some extent for life.