Any Lancia Integrale owners on the forum??

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  • Any Lancia Integrale owners on the forum??
  • Mid life crisis looming and i have always had a soft spot for them.

    Talk me down, or talk them up!!

    trumpton
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    I haven’t got one – very expensive for good ones. They are not built to last so there are not many good ones around. Be a shame to use it as a daily driver. Just keep it as a second car that would need to be garaged really. I remember seeing them at the 30k mark.

    Premier Icon slackalice
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    Not yet, however Slack jr is well aware that when he attains the where-with-all a yellow one in HF flavour, will be perfectly acceptable as a token of his appreciation for being brought up so well 😉

    If you have the opportunity, I’d say do it and can I have a go please mister?!

    MarkBrewer
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    One of my favourite cars, I always wanted one of the LHD Evo models and remember looking at them back in the early 2000’s when they were about 8 grand but I’d only just started a new job and couldn’t quite afford it so bought a Sunny Gti-r instead.

    Had a quick look again recently and some of them were up at 50-60k 😱 If you get a bad one it’ll probably be a huge money pit!

    Premier Icon duncancallum
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    Worked on one…. and I had a theme ie

    They rot like nothing you have ever seen. They are sods to work on.

    They’re not hugely fast by modern standards

    Would I have one he’ll yeah

    darthpunk
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    Think they’re going for about 30k for a decent one now, then the sky is the limit depending what you want to spend.

    If you can afford to run one, can you live with one? Years of nicer and nicer cars have made us soft and some modern hatchbacks are trampling all over the old rally cars in terms of performance.

    Having said that, I’d happily take an r34 skyline of evo 6 mitsubishi over most cars I see out there

    They’re not hugely fast by modern standards

    Not sure about that.
    I had a ride in one years ago that belonged to a lad who was a mechanic & he’d tweeked it a bit more than standard & since then the only thing Iv’e been in that I can compare it to was my stepsons Aston Martin Vantage.
    I remember the Lancia being a proper firm ride, as you’d expect & I wouldn’t like to drive on the pothole infested roads we have today in one.
    Fantastic track day car though!

    Premier Icon welshfarmer
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    My mate has one. Barely been out of a heated garage for probably over 20 years other than for servicing. As new with only a few thousand miles on it. One of the the last HF models. No idea what it is worth but I am guessing a fair bit now.

    mulv1976
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    I nearly bought one of these about 20 years ago until the guy revved it up and one of the spark plugs popped out of the head lol.

    I remember being in a test drive with an ex rally driver from up in Yorkshire, and even though he took it easy it handled so well and felt bloody quick. I’m sure by modern standards it’s not, and my cupra would feel much more comfortable at speed.

    BUT, if I could afford to buy and run a decent one now I’d buy one at the drop of a hat. They look amazing and (by modern standards) you would actually feel that you are driving the car, not all the electrical gubbins that cars have now.

    Premier Icon binners
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    A mate of mine had one back in the day, christened ‘The Moneypit’. There was always something wrong with it. Never ran right. The cost of owning and running it was truly eye-watering

    You’d be better off just blowing it all on coke and hookers

    Premier Icon grtdkad
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    Don’t own one. The OP just brought back memories of me being in northern Italy back in the late 90s and Integrales were everywhere…every street. I commented at the time that they were as common a sight as a Sierra would be in the UK

    sarawak
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    Can you find one that isn’t a rust bucket, hadsn’t been trashed and is mechanically and electrically sound? There must be one out there somewhere.

    Is the petrol tank still under the drivers seat?

    Premier Icon P-Jay
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    One of my friends (who I’m sure lurks here) had one for a few years. I drove it once. I was driving a 16v Golf GTI at the time and I thought that was peaky! If you out your foot down in gear it was nothing…. nothing… nothing…. BOOOOOOOOOOST.

    As I recall it didn’t break down much, as is, not running, but parts broke often and it was a sod to replacements for, it was really hard to work on.

    They’re al silly money now aren’t they?

    Premier Icon P-Jay
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    Don’t own one. The OP just brought back memories of me being in northern Italy back in the late 90s and Integrales were everywhere…every street.

    The Car Model was ‘Delta’ – millions of them, only the fast ones were Integrales, they sold about 40k of them globally so pretty rare, even in Italy.


    only the fast ones were Integrales,

    & all LHD I believe?

    Premier Icon slackboy
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    Those jokes we make about Alfa Romeo reliability? Alfa owners make them about Integrale owners.

    Walkers Garage are the UK specialists http://www.walkersgarage.co.uk/

    I’d love one, but too fragile for me. It would have to be a cosseted weekend car and I haven’t got the money or space for that.

    sarawak
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    only the fast ones were Integrales,

    & all LHD I believe?

    Yup.

    Premier Icon richmars
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    Yes, I had an 8 valve.

    Always loved the look, so when I was young and single I sold my Golf GTI (just as the prices collapsed) and went for it. I knew I wouldn’t be able to keep it for long as if something went wrong I would struggle to pay for it, but what the hell!

    Something did go wrong (engine miss fire at high revs) but managed to sell it, even with that.

    (I was out giving it a wash when two blokes walked past. Apparently they were from New Zealand and had come over to buy an Integrale, and were staying a few houses away.)

    I haven’t looked at the prices now, but I don’t think they’ll go down in the future.

    Premier Icon slackboy
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    I haven’t looked at the prices now

    The cheapest one on pistonheads is £20k and its been messed with. The rest go from £40k up.

    Premier Icon richmars
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    Not surprised with those prices.

    When I win the lottery (unlikely unless I start playing) it will be high on the list of cars to buy.

    One thing I remember from mine was the electrics. Obviously it hadn’t been designed to have all the added bits that were present in the Integrale, so under the bonnet was a load of extra fuse boxes, wherever they could find space for them. But having said that, the only electrical problem I had was a fault drivers window switch.

    mashr
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    all LHD I believe?

    Always fun to have to ask your passenger if it’s safe to pass!

    20 ish posts …. lots of opinions…. only one an owner 😀😀

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    Premier Icon grtdkad
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    The Car Model was ‘Delta’ – millions of them, only the fast ones were Integrales, they sold about 40k of them globally so pretty rare, even in Italy.

    Trust me, I know my cars and can tell the difference between an Integrale and a bog standard Delta (I was competing myself at the time in Group A8 Rally Cars at the time, Escort Cosworth and an ex-works Sapphire and an ex-works Legacy). A pukka performance car is not an alien thing to me.
    There were dozens of Integrales dotted around every other street in the various towns around Venice, Verona and St Marino.

    Premier Icon P-Jay
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    Ah, they’re so rare in these parts I assumed you meant Deltas.

    Premier Icon richmars
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    There were also lots of fakes around, based on the standard Delta turbo which are not at all the same as the Integrale. If the OP does buy one he should fully check the history to make sure it is real.

    parkesie
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    Try the Alfa 155 Q4 for the full house of Italian car stereo types.

    Premier Icon welshfarmer
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    You need to go along to one of the historic rallys in Italy if you want to see proper Lancias and similar. Here is a small selection from Elba in 2017…

    Oh my god… That Stratos ^

    Premier Icon jeffl
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    A good friend of mine had one about 20 years ago. It was brutally quick, turn in and mid corner grip was amazing. The ride though was rock hard.

    By modern standards very agricultural, but if you have the cash and don’t bin it then it will probably pay for itself if you keep it a few years.

    sarawak
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    The Stratos. Wow. I remember pushing Bjorn Waldegard out of Radnor Forest in his Stratos. Even with two of them in it weighed nothing. And that engine! Even in the middle of the night you could hear it for two miles before it reached you. Beautiful. Just about perfect and in the Alitalia livery almost a work of art. Motoring news had a picture of 3 of them lined up that was on my garage wall for years.

    That was in the days of the RAC Rally. Not the commercialised abomination we have nowadays.

    Fuel tank under the driver’s seat was the group B lancia S4. Used to keep the weight central and low. One of the reasons Henri toivenan lost his life in a crash .

    sarawak
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    Yes, Henri flew into a tree. No chance.
    Then they changed the regs.

    Overboost switch under the throttle pedal iirc, When mashed to the floor the wastegate as diddled to allow 1bar boost through the rev range for a little bit more power . Think the std boost was 10psi.

    Gachet
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    I learnt to drive in Delta HF 4×4 which was the forerunner to the 8v Integrale as was exactly the same apart from the box arches. This had been converted to RHD from new by a local Lancia dealer. Whilst it was quick, it felt very cheaply put together with plenty of rattles and creaks. This was 25 years ago and they certainly wouldn’t be that quick by modern standards, a £5k Seat Leon Cupra would give it a run for its money.

    I was looking to buy an Evo Integrale in around 2002 and a decent one could be had for around £7-8k so it’s frighting that they’re now £40k. I ended up with an E30 M3 as it was half the price and although not as quick it was nicer to drive, with a much more modern interior and more reliable. I don’t look at prices now as I’d cry after selling mine for £6k.

    It’s crazy the way all these 80s and 90s cars with motorsport heritage (Sierra and Escort Cosworth, E30 M3, Integrale, Mercedes Cosworth) have appreciated in value and the condition of them probably isn’t getting better as every car I looked at 17 years ago had rust somewhere so if you are thinking of buying it needs to be inspected with an inch of its like on ramps as plenty of cars that look good on the surface can be rotten underneath.

    Premier Icon hot_fiat
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    Try the Alfa 155 Q4 for the full house of Italian car stereo types.

    Afaik they were just a ‘grale cludged into the 155 bodywork. Following the wind up of the Lancia/ abarth rally team, the crew all decamped to Alfa and started work on the touring car project, which they went out and won.

    A mate used to import deltas in the late 90s – fly out to Turin, buy whatever he could and drive them home. They were very, very fragile things with one infamously losing a rear stub axle on the m42.

    As a blinkered Italian car nut, if I could store and look after it properly, I’d have one in a flash. I’ve looked at a few over the years, but I’d really need a treble garage, with a lift and iso container full of ricambi originalli.

    Nice video by Davide: https://youtu.be/jtlSeApabCw

    wrightyson
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    A mate who was also a mechanic/car dealer had one for a few months. He got rid because he genuinely thought it would kill him. Yes I know he could have slowed down etc but he reckoned it’s cornering ability was just ridiculous and if and when it did let go you’d be going along at some ridiculous speeds.

    jamesfts
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    I’ve got about 50% of a Grale!

    I’ve wanted an one since I was a kid, the closest I’ve come so far is building a Fiat Coupe using Lancia engine and 4×4 running gear from a written off Integrale. Not that fast in a straight line by modern standards (250-300bhp) but the handling and grip is crazy, not much will touch it in the wet.

    If you can afford one, have nice dry heated space to store it and have a specialist fairly locally (Walkers, Tanc Barrett, Delta Works) then go for it, I’d have a proper one in a heart beat.

    Premier Icon edhornby
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    My Italian father in law has wanted one for YEARS, he’s ex-motor trade and finally managed to get his hands on one in Italy and brought it back, it was in incredibly good condition. after having it about two years he’s sold it because there was always maintenance needed (dodgy valve that needed a big job to do apparently amongst other things) and he made a tidy profit. it was ace but not a forever car that he thought it was.

    tobsters
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    Apologies if this has already been done (and not strictly on-topic), but there’s a Petrolicious vid on that white Stratos. Its owned/driven by Erik Comas, the ex-F1 driver.

    1974 Lancia Stratos Group 4: Sliding The Rally Queen

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