Just wondering if anyone has any experience of Haibike as a brand and of the AllMtn 4 in particular? Reliability, range, customer service back-up etc.

Asking for a friend who is considering buying one for big mountain days, but doesn’t know much about the brand or ebikes generally. I’ve come across the name, but sort of assumed they were the bike equivalent of Kia, but turns out they’re an established German outfit specialising in ebikes.

The model he’s looking at has a Bosch motor and battery with an optional add-on extra battery which would take total capacity to 1125Wh, which I think makes the standard battery 625Wh, which is pretty decent no?

Thanks 🙂

They are very popular in Germany, I see a lot of them. Like anything else, brands known in the UK are not the same as elsewhere but they are big in Germany with a good dealer network.

assumed they were the bike equivalent of Kia

I’d say that was accurate; not outstanding but certainly not bad bikes. Personally, I don’t like the look of them, but the dual battery option is great, effing heavy though. I don’t think the geo is particularly progressive but they can still be chucked about by a decent rider.

Scott and Orbea also offer Bosch motored bikes with a dual battery option.

They were one of the original e-bike makers and make very good solid bikes, but everyone else has caught up and gone past them now. I would look elsewhere if he is going for “big mountain” days out, lighter better spec’ed bikes out there. You can buy a range extender or spare battery for most bikes, they are expensive though (£400-500) and don’t forget that you have to carry that extra weight (4-5kg) with you all day.

The name sounds Chinese so I’d always (wrongly) assumed these were things you’d order off Aliexpress.

Hai means shark in German

Seem fairly good at doing ebikes, that’s their entire market, they look weird but I think they’re pretty much similar to lots of other designs, think it’s 4 bar with what looks like a progressive setup, but could be wrong as the pics make pivots look like they don’t articulate 😳

I’d have no qualms riding one, ebikes have a little more give in their designs, plus it’s got a good motor and battery, looks a bit like the orbea, which also does similar range extenders, but at a grand more

Support looks good as well, we have about 3 or 4 haibike dealers around us, they’re popular brands for proper ebike shops.

As said one of the first on the scene before the big brands added E to their ranges. Their geometry used to be hopelessly out of date. Embarrassingly so. Not sure if this has improved.

They are distributed by Raleigh in the UK. A few years ago when I worked in the bike trade their back-up wasn’t great. Whether that has improved since 2018 I can’t say, but it was off-putting for me as a salesperson back then.

As above, one of the original makers of ebikes and certainly have a broad following. Theres a YTer ‘Rob Rides EMTB’ has reviews of that make.
Not pretty i grant you, but that just my personal opinion of the aesthetics, and one mans meat so to speak. Also felt the higher end models were a bit overpriced, but I didnt really include them on my list of ebikes to research, so I couldnt be wholly accurate in an opinion of them from another’s perspective.

Thanks for the input all. Anyone actually ridden one?

Sam Pilgrim and his chums don’t seem to do so bad on them.

Creaking bottom brackets aside (all Sams bikes seem to suffer), him and a few others give them a fair bit of stick and very rarely do you see him break one or come a cropper in a ride on a vid.

Sponsored by them of course, so have to take content with a bit of a pinch of salt but, all in all they don’t seem bad.

Compared with others though, I don’t know as not looked into ebikes at all yet.

Sam’s bottom brackets probably creak because he smacked them in with a shovel or something.
You have to admire his bike mechanics credentials😉.

I’ve had a Hardseven 5 for the last couple of years, absolutely love it. Yamaha motor and never had a single issue with it. Chipped it as soon as the warranty was up and I can keep up with the boss on the road now, never need he extra go off-road.
Over 100 mile battery range if you’re sensible but most of our outings are 25-30 miles so no problem running out of juice.

Anyone actually ridden one?

Few years ago now, me and my son demoed a couple of Haibikes. I must say, we both thought they were awful. Compared to the others we tried, Cannondale, Focus and Specialized, hard to describe really, but got the feeling they were cheapo ebike manufacturer who jumped on the mtb bandwagon. The suspension just didn’t feel right.
Saw one recently at Swinley and it was the fattest, ugliest bike I’ve ever seen too. Not sure if that counts for anything.

Hai biles have been around for a long time on the German bike market. They used to make generic Mountainbikes based on other manufacturers designs. I’ve never ridden one but I did notice they have the ebike rental market pretty well sewn up in both Austria and north Italy and I was in a bike shop in the south of France last week and the shop was full of Hai ebike full sussers retailing at 5000 plus euros.

Sam Pilgrim seems to get sent a new bike every other bloody week by Haibike along with getting new forks every other YouTube post, so I’m guessing he’s destroying plenty, you wonder is it worth sponsoring him.
Not watched for a while though and yes I’m exaggerating, but are Haibike getting their moneys worth with Sam,Tom Cardy and Kara Beal.

My best mate’s dad bought one a few years back right before the ebike craze took off. I can’t remember the exact year but it must have been around 2016 / 17ish. It was probably one of the very first ebikes with a Bosch motor in the UK. The geo and general look of it felt a very old skool, like a Cube bike from the late noughties, but it had legit parts (Fox Factory suspension, full SLX groupset). As far as I am aware he’s still riding it and hasn’t had any issues.

I ride an all MTN 3.5 from last year. Great bike. Never had any problems with electrics or anything, incredibly reliable bikes. Much better than the giant E trance it replaced. Work in a shop in Austria that sells them and they are incredibly reliable. Honestly great bikes.

The new Bosch motor is great, if you can get around the looks the Haibike is a solid e bike. We have lapierre in rental and have had a lot more problems with them. One crushed cable and a few problems with e13 chainrings, admittedly chainrings not really lapierres fault….

Haibike are having issues with the latest carbon frames; it seems there is a problem where the bearing seats are bonded into the rear triangle.
https://www.emtbforums.com/community/threads/allmtn-6-7-warning-check-your-rear-triangle-bearing-locations-for-cracked-paint.20431/

They were one of the original e-bike makers and make very good solid bikes,

Yeah, my mate at work has had one for years, long before the whole E-Bike thing became popular. He liked it so much he bought another and donated the original to his partner.

I had a spin around work and the bike seemed decent enough to me. Decent Fox suss will have helped I guess?

Do they make any normal bikes? The fact that they are ebike only makes me suspicious from a no generaltb experience

Thanks for all the input, appreciated 🙂

I looked at the Haibikes for big mountain riding (wanted the second battery) but after reading a few reviews I ended up with orbea FS wild (which can also have the second battery) – supposedly the Haibike is a bit more ‘point and shoot’ compared to the better manoeuvrability of the orbeas. I didn’t try the Haibike but I really like the orbea – it’s a really great bike for big mountain days, great for climbing, techy descents as well as tight mountain switchbacks.

I’ve only ridden e-bikes twice and having checked pictures turns out we hired Haibike Allmtn 3.

I had a great day out on it but it felt very big, cumbersome & a bit agricultural. Probably not a fair review as the suspension appeared to be set up for someone twice my weight.

They also make normal mountain bikes, albeit not so many…

850 miles on a allmtn 7 so far…. Yamaha engine. No real probs, just used consumables really. Fox forks needed service to get them moving though.