I’m laying in the sun drinking beer.
Mr White Crusader isn’t.
I really must thank him for martyring himself on my behalf.
****.

It was your suggestion. Radicalized by our mainstream media. If he was, then that should be terrifying. If he wasn’t ( I don’t believe he was ) then saying he was radicalized by mainstream media is basically just a lazy way of compartmentalising him – typical sun reading, working class racist white guy. Probably heard about that mosque from a bloke down the pub too.

The continued unquestioned crap that comes out from the media normalises it/condones it for a lot of people and it may then trigger some to go onto acts such as this. And yes, the crap the media gets away with and the outcomes it produce are indeed terrifying.

Do you think the media is not having an effect/increasing islamaphobia?

Are you also still puzzled about not having 1,000s of murderers committing murder after reading the Daily Mail?

On my phone so apologies for not answering more thoroughly but, imo I don’t think it’s as black and white as that.
I think now more than ever people are simply choosing the flavour of news they want. Media plays a part but I can’t say how much. Someone trying to murder Muslims probably reads the sun but I can’t say to what degree the sun made him murder Muslims. Very little I would guess.

I can’t say to what degree the sun made him murder Muslims.

“Made him,” probably very little. “Encouraged him” though, probably quite a lot. At best, it would hardly have dissuaded him. The Express and The Mail have been stirring up racial hatred in all but name for quite some time.

On a practical not why do people hire vans to run people down? Why not just hire a car? If you’re going to run someone down and drive over then then surely they will die whatever vehicle you use. And I would have thought a car would be much easier to maneuver,and faster, than and unwieldy big box van.

“Made him,” probably very little. “Encouraged him” though, probably quite a lot. At best, it would hardly have dissuaded him. The Express and The Mail have been stirring up racial hatred in all but name for quite some time.

Nahhh…..the Express and the Mail are open to interpretation, they are actually very peaceful papers that in no way condone violence. Don’t tarnish perfectly good papers with the actions of a mentally deranged lunatic.

I see what you did there.

referencing a marxist chancellor in any thread

..is entirely relevant. Vote Marxist and lose all credibility. Argue the toss over anything and you’ll be forever reminded of your utter lunacy and complete disconnect from reality. Unless you feel strongly that a Marxist Chancellor is a good thing in which case start a thread and get flammed, you loon.

There is no relevance to his politics in relation to this event. NONE its not relevant just like your posts

you’ll be forever reminded of your utter lunacy and complete disconnect from reality.

That is like the Donald shouting fake news at you for the deep levels of inherent irony that the sayer is blissfully unaware of as they are insulated by their own hubris and stupidity
BRILLIANT 😆

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I can’t say to what degree the sun made him murder Muslims.
“Made him,” probably very little. “Encouraged him” though, probably quite a lot.

Okay so this is where I have an issue. Again if you compare ISIS propganda – material designed to radicalise, it discusses how to identify soft targets, how to stab people, it gives pointers as to which type of knife to use. It anticipates that the reader might be squeamish since we in the west have been removed from the food chain, and not used to slaughtering our own animals so the idea of slaughtering people is difficult for us, and so on.

Do you really think that the right wing papers in the UK are in any way encouraging of murder and mayhem in the ways that jihaist propaganda does? They are literally producing murder manuals, and their recruitment material features them burning people in cages, smashing their skulls with rocks, blwong people up with RPGs and cutting heads off and leaving them on spikes.

At best, it would hardly have dissuaded him.

People don’t want to consume news from sources that dissuade them from deeply held beliefs though. They (left and right) want to subscribe to news and media that reinforces their world view. If your newspaper of choice starts telling you that you’re a racist, you’ll find another newspaper.
This takes me back to people on the left’s complete oblivious attitude towards their part in polarising the debate between right and left. Calling everyone a racist or a nazi isn’t conducive to debate. Especially when you lower the bar for what constitutes Nazi or racist to anyone who disagrees with a complete one world open border socialist utopia.

You can’t force feed ideas and view points down people’s throats, They’ll just stick to their views and find another source of information.

Do you really think that the right wing papers in the UK are in any way encouraging of murder and mayhem in the ways that jihaist propaganda does?

no but do you really think they help or hinder the spread of tolerance and integration? essentially if ISIS material can radiclaise folk, it can clearly, then so can our propaganda. Its not at the same level obvs or equivalent but the method is the same.

People don’t want to consume news from sources that dissuade them from deeply held beliefs though

true but that does not mean they do not influence their readers views o the extent they believe things that are not true.

This takes me back to people on the left’s complete oblivious attitude towards their part in polarising the debate between right and left.

for sure it is a factor

Calling everyone a racist or a nazi isn’t conducive to debate.

of course not but there are some views that should be rightly challenged in that manner.

Especially when you lower the bar for what constitutes Nazi or racist to anyone who disagrees with a complete one world open border socialist utopia

straw man – i dont think anyone actually does that.

Hmmm – pretty sure this genius doesn’t read the guardian…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-40347813

WTAF 😯

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-40347813

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Do you really think that the right wing papers in the UK are in any way encouraging of murder and mayhem in the ways that jihaist propaganda does?

No, but that isn’t really what I was saying. Rather, they’re reinforcing the sort of hatred which ultimately compels a very small minority to do something extreme. And it only takes one.

People don’t want to consume news from sources that dissuade them from deeply held beliefs though. They (left and right) want to subscribe to news and media that reinforces their world view. If your newspaper of choice starts telling you that you’re a racist, you’ll find another newspaper.

Sure, but there’s two things here.

1) Openly telling racists etc “hey, you’re right, and everyone agrees with you” isn’t healthy, and

2) People passively read headlines on newsstands without buying newspapers. I read all the newspaper headlines on the newsstand today just by dint of wanting to buy a bottle of Lucozade.

You can’t force feed ideas and view points down people’s throats,

Oh, but you really can. Not overtly, but drip drip drip drip…

@kimbers closer to 5% I think, 2.8m out of 60m ? Population group grew from 1.8m to 2.8m over past 10 years. France is closer to 8%

EDIT yes 4.4% nationally but vast majority (all but 100,000 odd) live in England so 5% there

As per Casey report issue is lack of integration which in many cases is a deliberate choice