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  • Another day, another school shooting
  • MSP
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    No doubt all the right wing nutjobs will send their hopes and prayers, instead of actually getting off their lazy useless arses and doing something real to solve the problem.

    tomhoward
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    Iirc there’s actually about 1 a week (that might be mass shootings in general though, rather than just schools), it’s just we only get to hear about the really bad ones now.

    let em kill each other. I’m never going to the US.

    kcr
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    Iirc there’s actually about 1 a week

    Mass shootings actually happen almost daily in the USA:

    Data from the Gun Violence Archive reveals there is a mass shooting – defined as four or more people shot in one incident, not including the shooter – nine out of every 10 days on average

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/02/america-mass-shootings-gun-violence

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    mikewsmith
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    Well if anything it will keep momentum behind the kids standing up to this movement. They were building a lot and getting the right people listening.

    let em kill each other. I’m never going to the US.

    Probably a decision for an adult to make these kids didn’t get to choose.

    tomhoward
    Full Member

    Probably a decision for an adult to make these kids didn’t get to choose.

    And yet, they still haven’t decided to even try and stop it

    mikewsmith
    Free Member

    eh what? Maybe I didn’t make myself clear there, as an adult you can choose to be somewhere or not, these kids are born there and have not yet been able to exercise and democratic right to protect themselves or change anything.

    nealglover
    Free Member

    let em kill each other. I’m never going to the US.

    What a lovely attitude to have about murdered children.

    Well done you 👍

    ffs.

    tomhoward
    Full Member

    Ah right, apologies, thought you were referring to the adults killing each other/not stopping kids killing each other

    P-Jay
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    It’s Sad, but – lets tie this thread up quickly and we can go back to our safer livers this side of the ocean.

    Insert Jim Jefferies Vid here.

    NRA are ****, they’re using ‘debate’ to stalemate any meaningful changes.

    It’s all about money really.

    “More Guns is the answer”

    “guns don’t kill people”

    “There just no answer, says the only country where this routinely happens”

    See you all again in a few weeks, it’s a bit longer now because any someone else said above, mass shootings of Adults or less than say 5 kids, just isn’t news anymore.

    DrJ
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    Heart goes out to the parents, of course, but this is what Americans have repeatedly voted for, so it’s just one of the signs of democracy in action.

    Northwind
    Full Member

    “this is what Americans have repeatedly voted for”

    The kids that get killed in school shootings don’t have the vote. No execution withour representation!

    poah
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    No doubt all the right wing nutjobs will send their hopes and prayers, instead of actually getting off their lazy useless arses and doing something real to solve the problem.

    trump  “My administration is determined to do everything in our power to protect our students, secure our schools and to keep weapons out of the hands of those who pose a threat to themselves and to others.”May God heal the injured and may God comfort the wounded and may God be with the victims and with the victims’ families. A very sad day. Very, very sad.”

    amazing how right you are

    mikewsmith
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     but this is what Americans have repeatedly voted for, so it’s just one of the signs of democracy in action.

    Single issue vote?

    The kids were turning some of the republicans last time around, this could be a bit 2018 for them with a lot of 1st time voters who have been very close to one of these.

    somafunk
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    Meh……..only 8 deaths?, hardly worth reporting

    kimbers
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    This bit on the BBC news story is full of wtf us up with that country

    Shortly after the shooting began in the town of about 13,000 residents, a man carrying an American flag, wearing a Trump hat, and carrying a pistol on his hip approached news cameras.

    The man, who did not give his name, said his goal was to “get to the school. Make America great again.”

    Another man then told reporters “we need prayers”.

    “This idiot is walking down the street with a damned pistol on his side where we just had kids get shot,” he said referring to the other man.

    “I’m a guns rights person. I have guns. But this idiot is walking down here and saying he needs to make America great again. That’s not what America needs.”

    batfink
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    Awful, just awful.

    Interesting to find out what security measures the school had in place – ie: who’s side of the argument this is going to support.  Its Texas, so I’m guessing that the teachers and pupils were all armed to the teeth….. and yet nobody “took-out” the perp.

    MrWoppit
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    Amongst the usual expressions of grief and tears, a new reaction.

    One of the pupils being interviewed on TV was being pumped by the reporter who asked her if she was shocked.

    Perfectly composed and resigned, she said no. When prompted “How so?” she said because it happens all the time now. She fully expected it would happen at her own school, sooner or later…

    coolhandluke
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    Home grown US idiots with gun fetishes are far more successful at killing Americans that ISIS, wonder why US government spend trillions on targeting ISIS etc then?

    I’m not at all surprised and sadly, I’m caring even less as the Americans don’t seem to care themselves or they’d change their gun laws surely?

    Mass shootings in the US: there have been 1,624 in 1,870 days

    onehundredthidiot
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    It’s a crazy land. People in buffalo protesting against the city banning automatic weapons. Meanwhile girl in ohio “graduates” (well she doesn’t really do it but…) with a rifle slung across her back.

    **** up.

    samuelr
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    This is the price Americans are willing to pay for their guns. It seems like madness to us, but its what they want.

    bikebouy
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    This is the price Americans are willing to pay for their guns. It seems like madness to us, but its what they want.

    Acceptable in thier society and too ingrained to do anything about. Whilst we pour scorne on thier attitude towards gun control, they pour scorne on our bacon…

    English bacon isn’t what we consider bacon,” said Daniel Berry, an Alaskan who spent some time in Britain. “You have to order ‘streaky’ bacon and even that isn’t as good as American.”

    Caher
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    I worked for a few months in Texas; nicest people you could meet, but mention gun control and they turned into monsters. They speak English but the cultural similarity ends there.

    neilco
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    So I’m in Houston now so this is closer to home and there’s more news coverage than otherwise. Turns out that so far in 2018, more kids have been killed in US schools than US soldiers have been killed in active service. Think about that: it’s more dangerous to send kids to school than to send soldiers to war. Wow.

    CountZero
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    wonder why US government spend trillions on targeting ISIS etc then?

    Daesh don’t even need to target the US, the American people are doing their work for them, facilitated by Trump and the gun lobby. There has to be a tipping point, though, where ordinary people just refuse to accept what’s happening to them and their children, and I think it might be teenagers reaching voting age that might do it, sick to death of seeing their friends and classmates slaughtered by the disaffected who can get their hands on guns more easily than they can get alcohol!

    Spin
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    There has to be a tipping point, though, where ordinary people just refuse to accept what’s happening to them and their children.

    Remember how we thought Sandy Hook was the tipping point?

    mikewsmith
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    Remember how we thought Sandy Hook was the tipping point?

    Listening to some of the analysis from over there this one is more, the stories are taking longer to fall away, they are resonating more – a kid interviewed who was not shocked, this is the 1st generation to vote that have had school shootings all their lives. The Texas sheriff who said enough was enough – that hasn’t happened before

    Brainflex
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    Lifted from a blog,

    This week in a small community near Houston, yet another disaffected loser opened fire on helpless victims at the high school he attended, killing ten and wounding a like number. When he was confronted by armed school resource officers, he allegedly wounded one and then surrendered rather than be shot himself.

    A very few days before in Dixon, Illinois, a 19- year-old former student entered the high school there with a semiautomatic 9mm carbine and opened fire.  He was immediately shot down by a School Resource Officer who was in the right place at the right time.  There were NO casualties except the would-be mass-murderer himself, and even he survived the gunshot wound righteously inflicted upon him by the SRO.

    What do these two incidents have in common? For one thing, as soon as The Good Guys With Guns got there, the Bad Guys With Guns stopped doing the bad things they were doing.

    What is markedly different? One had a terrible death toll, and the other did not.  In one case the Good Guy with the gun was closer than his counterparts in the other case, and able to get there sooner.

    These two elements are directly and obviously related.

    We join in the general acclaim for the heroic officers who literally “rode to the sound of the guns” and fulfilled their duty to protect the innocent from harm at the hands of evil-doers.  And we are all reminded that in any time and motion study, the key element is that motion takes time.

    Emerging from the carnage at the Texas school was one student who said a shot was heard in his classroom, and his teacher went out the door and saw the black-trench-coated punk with the shotgun going into an adjacent classroom.  The teacher, helpless to do otherwise, ran back into his own classroom and put it in lockdown, where he and his students heard the continuing gunfire as other victims went down.

    Suppose that teacher had been trained and armed, and instead of retreating helplessly to his own classroom had followed the gunman into the other classroom, fired a surgically placed shot, and stopped the carnage there?  How much tragic death and agony would that have forestalled?

    RobHilton
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    Suppose that teacher had been trained and armed, and instead of retreating helplessly to his own classroom had followed the gunman into the other classroom, fired a surgically placed shot, and stopped the carnage there?

    Suppose he fluffed it, got shot himself and essentially handed another weapon over to the shooter.

    Critical thinking is not for everyone :).

    squirrelking
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    Or someone further away saw him with gun drawn and opened fire on him instead?

    sbob
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    Remember how we thought Sandy Hook was the tipping point?

    It was the tipping point.

    It was the point when we finally realised that gun ownership was more important to Americans than not killing their children.

    Northwind
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    Mr Woppit wrote,

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    One of the pupils being interviewed on TV was being pumped by the reporter who asked her if she was shocked.

    Perfectly composed and resigned, she said no. When prompted “How so?” she said because it happens all the time now. She fully expected it would happen at her own school, sooner or later…

    Saw this one too, what a horrible and perfect perspective 🙁

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    But it’s OK, Oliver North says it’s caused by ritalin. He does admit that he’s “not a doctor but a disgraced former marine”. No, wait, he forgot to mention the “disgraced former” bit.

    dissonance
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    Suppose he fluffed it, got shot himself and essentially handed another weapon over to the shooter.

    Good guys with guns dont fluff it. Doesnt matter whether you have only fired it once before and gave up after a couple of shots since it was way overpowered. Soon as a bad guy turns up you instantly become the equivalent of an SAS soldier.

    He does admit that he’s “not a doctor

    Clearly not a doctor otherwise he would have mentioned the role of violent video games as well.

    kimbers
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    brainflexs blog post raises some good points but it’s full of nra fervour, rather than logic.

    Especially the ”surgically placed shot” line. American police have a less than 50% accuracy rate within 6ft, the further away they get the worse the hit rate.

    <span style=”font-size: 0.8rem;”>Implying the most likely outcome of arming teachers is that a bullet is more likely to be fired randomly into the school that take out the shooter.</span>

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