Amateur racers – would you take EPO as part of a clinical trial?
I’m in! where do i sign (I want to dominate my commute!)
EPO is licensed in cancer treatment, where patients are by the nature of the illness quite poorly, it is also created naturally in the body IIRC. If it thickens your blood (by creating a higher blood cell count) then the risk of stroke, heart attack and blood clots increases as well.Posted 4 years agoDanWMember
No on the basis of not wanting to have it shoved in my face that you can’t turn a donkey in to a racehorse… I prefer to remain delusional and kid myself of my abilities if I were to have a little LA style help 😀
Edit: The study organisers are the ones you should be asking these questions to rater than here! You will not take part without giving informed consent so ask the organisers the questions and read the documentation 🙄Posted 4 years ago
why amateur racers? do you expect them to compete in a race before and after the trial period? Just curious in terms of how you are measuring it and whether EPO is banned or not for amateur races?
When amateurs get their race license they have to agree to submit to doping controls at races (even if its something that is extremely unlikely to ever happen at the level most of those who have a race license compete at)
The study is measuring things via a vo2 max test, a sprint/lactate test and also a blood test.Posted 4 years ago
The study organisers are the ones you should be asking these questions to rater than here! You will not take part without giving informed consent so ask the organisers the questions and read the documentation
I thought it would be better hearing some independent views rather than hearing from those doing the study who perhaps only look towards the medical side of things rather than the wider issues.Posted 4 years agothisisnotaspoonMember
I saw Placebo at Reading in 2010, I wasn’t any faster on my bike afterwards. There’s an ELO tribute band touring at the moment, should I see them instead?
As for the OP, is it any worse beating a guy on £1500 aero wheels whilst taking EPO, than the guy on £1500 wheels beating the guy on a £500 bike with cheep handbuilts?Posted 4 years ago
Basically i have an opportunity to take part in a trial of testing methods for EPO (the research is WADA funded and done via a university). Half of the subject group will be on placebos but half will be on the real stuff.
Those involved wouldnt be able to race during this period (which i think is 2 x 12 weeks) but presumably they are going to reap the benefits of their training during that time. Ethically that is pretty dubious IMO although it would be interesting to see what improvements can be made!
Anyway is EPO safe to take in a controlled environment and what are the potential side effects short and longer term?Posted 4 years agoroverpigSubscriber
Actually, fun though it sounds, I’m not sure I would. Part of the fun with biking comes from slowly chipping away at times on various sections. While it would be fun to rocket up the leaderboard with a bit of pharmaceutical assistance this would be outweighed by the knowledge that I’d probably never beat those times again.Posted 4 years agoTiRedMember
I would sign up in an instant; at the very least you will get good data on your power and VO2 max and possible potential. Expect about a 6% increase on EPO and a modest rise in haematocrit accordingly (% blood that is red blood cells). EPO is safe and well-tolerated at the prescribed regimen, the original dangers were associated with very high and unregulated haematocrits, coupled with dehydration leading to stroke. I would expect a stopping criteria for treatment (blinded) based on measured haematocrit of 50%.
Are they planning on the rather smart Ferrari low dose into the veins regimen that kept US Postal clean? It really was very clever and showed an excellent undertstanding of how to optimise a drug.
Bjarne Riis had a reported haematocrit of over 60 when he won the TdF, alledgedly. Normal range is up to 52%.
In the spirit of full declaration, I’m a Clinical Pharmacologist who designs these sorts of trials as my day job and an aspiring Cat4 and masters E1234 racer. I think half the masters would sign up given half the chance – 27mph last week 😆 !Posted 4 years ago
In the spirit of full declaration, I’m a Clinical Pharmacologist who designs these sorts of trials as my day job and an aspiring Cat4 and masters E1234 racer. I think half the masters would sign up given half the chance – 27mph last week !
Presumably the other half are already using? 😉Posted 4 years agozilog6128Subscriber
Fascinating article about a journalist who took EPO and HGH as an experiment:Posted 4 years ago
Been a while since I read it but IIRC the chap said it made him feel amazing, and years younger! Virtually no health risk, the only drawback being the cost (and illegality I guess!)kcrMember
No such thing as amateur racing in terms of controls. The same rules apply to everyone, assuming we are talking about competition under the mandate of a governing body with anti doping rules, such as the UCI.Posted 4 years ago
You are not going to get a free pass because you are part of a study. Of course, you are unlikely to be tested unless you start winning races, so in practical terms this is more of a moral question. Are you prepared to break the rules you agreed to follow when you took out a racing licence?
I would think about the risk of being targeted for testing if it becomes known that you are participating in the trial.
I suspect that the trial organisers will be well aware of all these issues, and will provide very clear guidance about the implications. For an active athlete in a sanctioned sport, I am pretty sure it is going to be a no-no.
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