to wear under shorts for warmth and without the look of chicken legs

which is best and why?

If you're going to wear something like Ronhills – why put shorts over them?
Surely you'd be better off with Lycra under them?

You'll look daft either way.

just accept it, proper bibtights are perfect for winter, whether they look good or not.

NOT A **** CHANCE

so cruisers or ron hills – which ftw?

Is this for your [road] hill interval training?

Anyway, just get either – it wont make any difference

no its for wearing so i stay warm and dry on normal mtb rides. How is it either when the alturas are fleece lined – are they not a warmer alternative?

Have you got a Marin + beard ? 😉

I've never had cold legs regardless of what I've been wearing on them – i.e. thin bib tights work OK, as do fleecy lined keks

i have never had cold legs but i am sure warmer legs = warmer feet, therefore that is why i want some trousers