Alternative to an Orange P7?
I know there are loads of posts asking "best 130ish-mm travel steel hardtail" but my requirements are fairly specific:
Sliding dropouts (Rohloff compatible).
Basically, a P7. But does anyone make anything similar, but lighter, without going down the custom route?Posted 8 years ago
(And if anyone has anything for sale, I'm looking for a 19-20" frame)allankellySubscriber
From experience: the P7 sliding dropouts are fatally flawed and will fail you repeatedly, finally dumping you with a load of heavy metal that a moment ago was a rideable bike and is now just a load of metal- in the middle of nowhere. Cue Deliverance scenario.
Buy an On-One "proper sliding dropouts that work" Inbred…
…Except you can't cos they don't do them any more (they do horizontal dropout bikes AFAIK).
Ah-ha! But I have an original white DN6 (ie steel) slidey that is for sale with SS and geared dropouts.
A very very fine bike for sale, I may break it if you're polite.
Might suit you?
al.Posted 8 years ago
Lazgoat – the sliding dropouts rely on mere friction to stop the driveside dropout sliding forward. (So do tracknuts but a fatty tracknut has big warehouseloads of force to stop the wheel sliding.)
I could never get the dropout on me P7 to stay where I put it. Same problem with the older Kona Unit/Explosif sliding dropouts (managed to remove the thread out of those ones…), though Kona have redesigned it to have an extra screw (a la chain tug) to stop slipping.Posted 8 years ago
Interesting point banana. Tried using Nordlock washers?
Presently got a Thorn Raven, but the pannier mounts are specific to an (expensive) Old Man Mountain Sherpa rack, not conventional racks. And I'm not so fond of the EBB. It still slips and is not a trail-side tighten, which sliding dropouts would be.
James – by Custom, I mean Custom frame, looking at at least £700.
Cotic Soul has neither sliding dropouts or rack mounts.
Allan – hmm, On-one… interesting. Can you send info & pics? email addy in profile.Posted 8 years ago
bandito – Hmm, haven't heard of Nordlock washers, but the frame was sold many moons ago…
Sorry to hear about your EBB slipping. Not trying to sound like a b@astard but I've not had a problem with the EBB on my Thorn. It actually inspired me to seek out more eccentricity and I've now got three bikes with them – it is definitely the most hassle-free method of tensioning a chain and the drive-side dropout with nothing on or around it looks minimistically magic.
Is it a Raven Enduro you've got? Their rack mounts were indeed, um, interesting…Posted 8 years ago
Had heard its a good idea but not great
It's the best thing in the whole world ever. Yeah, it's stupid money to get one (I had to sell two bikes to buy one…) but I've never looked back and love it dearly.
dont know anyone that has one!
I'm guessing bandito has one as well…?Posted 8 years ago
Take a peek at the supplier's website: http://www.ison-distribution.com/ison/english/product.php?part=HUROSHDK
… and prepare to splutter on your cornflakes.
Being a spanner-wielding greasy baboon in a bike shop meant I got mine at trade but it still hurt the pocket book somewhat. More than three years of fantastic service has more than convinced me it was money not pissed-up-teh-wall.Posted 8 years ago
Mine probably cost about five hundreds of your English pounds but the trade and retail prices have both rocketed recently (Euro-Pound exchange whatever?).
Some say it's supposed to last for 100,000km but that's just speculation. I think it will last for A Very Long Time™.
Here's a thread in which I questioned the Rohloff bearings: http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=930.0. Be warned: during the thread there's a shedload of misinformation from deluded old skool tourers but it all comes together in the end.Posted 8 years ago
A Very Long Time™ in miles? Erm, probably about twice around the Earth, riding through oceans included.
THe bearings can be replaced and the hub can be overhauled: the chap in that thread I linked to who gave the bearing info has had his down to its component parts and back again – therefore the hub can last forever, hurrah!
A SA and front mech setup would indeed be LOTS cheaper but wouldn't have even half the gear range of a Rohloff. I've tried an Alfine with a front mech but unless you have massively different chainrings the range is still limited.
PLUS I hate front mechs so are one of my favourite reasons for having hub gears instead.Posted 8 years ago
I have indeed got a Rohloff. Got fed-up with bike maintenance after my son was born: barely had time to ride, let alone fettle. So I sold my Heckler and most of the bits off my Voodoo and bought a Cotic Simple and Rohloff (both used)Posted 8 years ago
Rohloff cost £650 built onto a wheel, with all its gubbins.
Cotic's track ends didn't really work with the speedbone, so sold that a few months ago and bought the Raven Enduro. But as I say, I'm having slight issues with the EBB aswell as the rack mounts. EBB is the best looking way of tensioning the chain, but it is a bit of faff when you do need to tighten it. Wouldn't mind seeing how the Sanderson system works.
Problem with the Thorns (and the Sanderson Soloist) is the fork-length – I want capability of longer travel. I'm running 130mm Marzocchis on my Raven anyway, which slacken the head angle a lot, but I know the frame isn't designed to cope with the increased bending moment.
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