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  • backhander
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    The sun shines on even a dogs ass some days. I'll agree to disagree on this one. I think he's constantly isolated, hits well below his weight and just a liability really.

    apparently he still hasnt been to training 😥

    in other news backhanders favourite backrower is going to Wasps

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/welsh/8811293.stm

    backhander
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    Can't see him getting much time at number 8 with the form that ward-smith has been showing. Betsen and Worsley aren't getting any younger so I can see the need for new blood. With Rees at open and DWS at 8 I suppose the mong could do something on the blind. We'll see I suppose.
    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news mate but I think gavs been cheating on you a_a, he's been spotted with yet another air-headed, fame hungry bimbo;


    He's lost a lot of weight hasn't he?

    hels
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    Opened this thread as I thought maybe Sean Fitzpatrick might be back in action. Huge disappointment…

    Premier Icon curtisthecat
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    Ah Yes, good ol' Fitzty. Mrs Curtis is a Kiwi, and to them, Fitzty is a hero. I tend to agree. A real rugby player, not an attention seeking media whore.

    Fitz? Well, he was alright, but no Pinetree.

    Then again, he was no JPR, either! And don't even start me on the Viet Gwent!

    Fitzy was good but Micheal Jones was easily the best NZ player of that era even if he didnt play on a sunday.

    Pigface
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    Well I can say I would bum him :wink:, awesome player who really winds some people up. Backhander, Hunk a hunk of Irish love being two. Better all round player than Wilkinson that doesn't even need saying. Wilko is a one trick pony if ever there was one. Tindall ???? now that is funny 🙂

    I think he is fragile mentally and needs to grow up, will he ever attain his potential? No I dont think so but I am bloody glad he is coming back.

    Thats it the perma tanned tosser can **** OFF

    69er
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    all hail the return of the king

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    I hope there's some Southern Hemisphere STW'ers having a good laugh at this…

    I'm embarrased for you aa.

    Admit it, you just fancy him. There, all done.

    Premier Icon DezB
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    Thats it the perma tanned tosser can **** OFF

    What's he done? Turned you down?

    Talking of rugby – how good has the Tri Nations been? Last Saturday's match has to be one of the all time best.

    What's he done? Turned you down?

    Its worse than that he's doing strictly come dancing!!

    Pigface
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    Dez B apart from woeful defence it was a great game. Loathe the boks and happy to see them humbled, god help us all if they ever get the coaching problems sorted out.

    Pigface
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    a-a look at it like this, he is doing some kind of physical exercise 🙄 what the f u c k is he playing at, he will look back on his career when he is older and say to himself I really screwed things up.

    Biggest waste of talent since George Best, its going to mean he misses another world cup. What is it something like 15 6 nations starts, 15 wins and two grandslams.

    on the plus side Wales are always trying to think of new ways to respond to the Haka:

    backhander
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    Pigface, why do you think Henson winds me up?
    I have stated that I think he's an incredible rugby player, just not (or anywhere near) THE KING of rugby.
    Better at centre than wilko? of course. Better at Standoff? no chance.
    I think you're being a bit harsh on him, it's crossed my mind that maybe he needs the money now ms Church is gone? I hope that is not the case and that he's just doing it for a laugh and to get laid. Of course I'd rather see him playing rugby.

    Better at centre than wilko? of course. Better at Standoff? no chance.

    The very sad thing is as a rugby player he is far more talented than wilkinson. His goal kicking was as good and kicking from hand was better, his passing was always better as was his running ability, in 2005 he had the world at his feet and then his groin went and he was never the same. In 2008 he had bulked up and slowed down and reinvented himself as a boshing 12 with good hands but he wasnt able to run freely or kick from hand or ground.

    Still no excuse for being on that shite **** programme, I blame the **** what watch it, if it wasnt for them he'd be back playing rugby…… remours are he may be joining the London Pests in Jan (direst replacement for the tranny shagger!!)

    backhander
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    Another thing we'll have to agree to disagree on a-a. Both good in different ways. For the most part wilko was a far better place kicker than henson and better in defence before henson bulked up. Of course he never had the pace or ability to ruin defences like henson did.
    It seems (sadly) that they are both has beens now so I'm not going to bother arguing the toss.
    Mind you, if henson sticks 5 tries on NZ at the WC next year, I'm sure you'll forgive him.

    Premier Icon IdleJon
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    "Both good in different ways" I agree.

    Henson suited a Welsh way of playing far more than JW, but I couldn't envisage Gav playing in a typical English team and succeeding in looking good – if that makes any sense at all?

    Pigface – Member
    Dez B apart from woeful defence it was a great game. Loathe the boks and happy to see them humbled, god help us all if they ever get the coaching problems sorted out.

    Again I agree about the Boks, although I tend to prefer the SA teams during the S14. Apparently Jake White and Eddie Jones have offered to replace De Villiers immediately if invited.

    I couldn't envisage Gav playing in a typical English team and succeeding in looking good – if that makes any sense at all?

    no it doesnt make sense if Trundle, Noon, Toby Flood, Oily Barclay and numerous other players could play for england I'm fairly sure Gavin Henson in 2005 or 2008 form could tango (see what I did there) his way into the England team.

    backhander
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    I don't think that was what he was saying. No doubt he'd get into the England team but would not have had the opportunity to shine as he does in the welsh team who have a more open style (IMO).

    Premier Icon IdleJon
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    As usual you miss the point completely where Gav's concerned a_a!

    I think you have rather missed the point about what he provided as a player and also about how wales won the grandsalm in 2008, it wasnt based on open attacking play at all.

    Coasting
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    Ah the Gr8 Michael Jones now we’re really talking of rugby gods and not ponsy wannabee’s

    Premier Icon DezB
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    Was he talking the truth when he said today that what he missed most from home was his special mirror?
    He’s such an utter pillock it really is hard to tell!

    henson- bags of talent and promise, Has never consistently delivered to be considered a top player. In the last 18 months he has let the ospreys down completely,abandoned wales and become absorbed in his own self importance. He has only ever played 2 or 3 good games for wales so I wouldnt consider him world class.

    As a wales supporter i would compare how Henson and Wilkinson have handled their injury setbacks. I would have to say Jonny has been a complete professional, Whilst Gavlar has been a self obsessed and self pitying vacuous fool.

    He’s also never out of trouble in the media, gobbing off in cardiff or on the train. If he’s ever to earn his place back for Wales he needs to perform consistently in the Premiership for 6 months and quit whingeing about how hard his life is..

    Respect and reputations are earnt. He has never been a consistent player for Wales or the Ospreys, has gone AWOL for 18 months and dumped on his club that have supported him through his hard times. I will never respect the Guy and if you compare him to a true welsh great like Grav there simply is No comparison.

    One or two good performances do not make him the King, just a pretender to the throne!

    doof_doof
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    I hope there’s some Southern Hemisphere STW’ers having a good laugh at this…

    Rest assured, we’re laughing. Mind you, the autumn internationals are usually a bit of a joke anyway. Looking forward to seeing Sonny Bill Williams unleashed on the Northern Hemisphere teams.

    He has only ever played 2 or 3 good games for wales so I wouldnt consider him world class

    He has played at least 8 games for wales where he was very very good, hence the two grandslams. Not world class true, not played consistently to the level he is capable, but to say he has only played 2 or 3 good games for wales shows a complete an utter lack of understanding of the game and what Henson does. And I fail to see how the ospreys who werent paying him and refused to let him leave were helping anyone but themselves and certainly werent supporting him. If you listen to any of the words uttered by Ospreys coaches in the last year they always say they were not in touch with him

    I was looking forward to seeing him buried in Thomond Park along with the rest of ’em. Sorry to see it’s not gonna happen. 😉

    So gavlar won both grandslams by himself did he, utter crap! He is very gifted, possibly the most gifted welsh player of the last 20 years but to be great you have to deliver week in week out. Like henson, 2008 and 2005 have been flash in the plan. Great teams and players win year in year out. yes wales are a better side with a fully fit Gavin Henson but he is so inconsistent you have to move forward without him because he is completely unreliable. So what he tackled a prepubescent Noon and Tait and kicked that goal. he is rugby’s eqivalent of Wayne Rooney and most welsh fans don’t share your views. Of course I’d love him to prove everyone wrong and become a consistently great player but i just cant see it. If he remains Wales’ great hope then we are doomed. He has not grown up since he was sent off against LLanelli as a 18 year old, moans about how hard his lot is and he has lost the respect of most serious rugby fans.

    As far as I can see the Ospreys management have fully supported his “sick leave” until he tried to tart himself to English clubs via the Media. I accept he has been unlucky with injuries but that’s rugby. he’s been very priveleged as an Ospreys and Wales player but all he can do is moan about his lot in life. Reality check needed Gav.

    i’m sorry but I’m with Brian Moore on the Gavin Henson issue

    So gavlar won both grandslams by himself did he, utter crap

    true and not what I said, but he has played far more than one or two good games for Wales, in fact a sub appearance with lack of game time against ireland and a shambolic performance at 15 against South Africa I cant think of any poor games he’s played for wales.

    Stop reading headlines and watch some games, preferably when sober. Do you think gatland is so taken with him for no reason?

    cbrsyd
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    Caught this thread late but heres a tackle. JPR Williams at 1.37 ish

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZw6K8shi_Q&feature=related

    very henson like with the lack of arms!!

    I don’t read headlines but have made my own balanced judgement on him and he’s a tool. Wouldnt waste my money going to the Millennium- £70-80 per head is a price not worth paying to say I was there. and i’d rather go out riding on a nice day than stay in and watch wales given the option. Not a pisshead either. I hope he proves me wrong but I imagine he won’t. And if you sell your life to the media- weddings in trashy mags, reality TV appearances etc, then you can’t cry foul when the media judges you.

    He is not a great player. He has played a few good internationals for Wales. he needs to get fit, play at a high level week in week out, keep his trap shut and rebuild his career. However he doesn’t seem to have the internal resolve or desire to do this. If he does play well for 6-12 months for Saracens then maybe he deserves a recall. I think if he returns to the Wales squad in a prodigal son like manner it could be extremely devisive and could backfire badly.

    I hope he finally fulfills his considerable talent, but to do this he needs to get his head right.

    And correct me if i’m wrong i’m sure you will Gavin’s boyfriend!. Until today he was under contract with the Ospreys til the end of this season. Gavin walked out on this contract, firstly because he couldnt handle getting injured poor dab, and it was his call to take an unpaid sabattical from the game because he had lost his desire for the game. He should have honoured his contract with the club who stood by them through this and quite understandibly got pissed off recently when he started tarting himself around English clubs. If he had continued with rehab from his injuries Ospreys would have been legally bound to pay him through this til the end of his contract (unless thaey had a get out clause). He has handled himself unprofesionally and deserves the derision he gets

    I also think he will be a marked man in England and will be the target for regular big hits. So it could be a car crash return.

    But the good thing about him is love or hate him he gets people talking about the game.

    As for wales’ recent grandslam successes-the recent 6 nations competitions have been mediocre. Do you really believe that the current 6 nations is anywhere near on a level with current southern hemisphere rugby. No Northern Hemisphere Team has consistently competed with or beaten the big 3 on their own soil since you know who between 2000-2003.

    As for wales’ recent grandslam successes-the recent 6 nations competitions have been mediocre. Do you really believe that the current 6 nations is anywhere near on a level with current southern hemisphere rugby. No Northern Hemisphere Team has consistently competed with or beaten the big 3 on their own soil since you know who between 2000-2003.

    whats that got to do with anything? Do you seriously think wales would have won the 2005 grandslam without Henson who was the difference in that first game against England. You talk about a couple of tackles on a kid which is fair but he also flatterned Cueto (or was it Cohen that game) as well as Julian White the tighthead prop, he moved to full back when Thomas was binned and put in some fantastic kicks too. In the ireland game he gathered up O’Driscol put him in his pocket and carried him around all game. He’s appears as thick as shit, bit of a prima dona to say the least and is clearly mentally fragile, but his natural talent is massive.

    I can see most of your points but not sure I agree with the Ospreys looking after him and dont think the physicality of the Aviva will be a problem if he gets match fit. Headhunters dont come off well against him, ask that big Argie prop from Leicester!!

    I don’t dispute his talents are massive, and as I have already said I hope he proves me wrong and gives saracens/wales 4-5 years of world class performances consistently.

    I’m not in love with Henson like you. You are clearly one of his biggest fans and you can only recall less than ten “great” performances in a wales shirt-hardly the stuff legends are made of. Therefore he is not a great of the game. He’s been unlucky with injuries yest but that’s the risk you run when you are a show pony in a contact sport. True greats perform consistently over years, have the mental resolve and resilience to come back from adversity and don’t walk out on their team mates when things don’t go their way.

    King no and technically Mike Tindall must be closer in line to the throne just because he’s shagging Zara Phillips!!

    Maybe this is a discussion we should be having in 5 years when you can reflect on ALL of his career though.

    Twin
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    I’m a welshman but there’s no way that Henson is the king!

    Simply delusional.

    He’s a very good player, I’ll give you that. But given the choice between Henson, Roberts, Gibbs, Bateman, Gravell (& that’s only the Welsh contingent) He’d be last on the team sheet.

    Don’t get carried away. On form, Henson can be world class. Unfortunately he’s notoriously flaky and has had some relly, really bad games too.

    Twin apart from the two I’ve mentiond what have been his bad games for Wales? He’s a been a better player than Roberts but would agree on the others, not fit to lace the boots of Gibbs or Bateman, never really saw anyhting of Gravelle. Intresting that Gibbs and Bateman dont come in for any stick but both took the league cash and left Welsh rugby in the shit.

    Scott Gibbs is also a legendary Taxi driver!! Bridgend cab rides will never be the same!

    I don’t think you can compare pre-pro RU with what happens now. At the end of the day in the 80’s and 90’s players needed to secure themselves and their families financially , and if that meant going North then you can’t blame them as the financial rewards were far greater in RL back then. RU should have woken up and smelt the coffee and gone pro in the 70’s or 80’s. I can clearly remember when Jiffy went north in 87ish and it was like Wales were in national mourning- ridiculous. Now there’s a great of the game. A world beater in all codes internationally in RU And RL , successful in the NRL, professional shagger, and he’s had personal tragedy to cope with , IIRC he lost his 1st wife with stomach cancer and he has a great chat show on S pedwar Heck- not.

    It’s interesting how flambuoyant and flair players polarise opinions in all sports henson/hoddle/gascoigne/pieterson etc. All hugely talented!! Makes the game more interesting though. If all players were Wilkinson like robot clones it would be dull dull dull!!

    can’t see any point on adding any more to the Henson debate though.

    Scamper
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    How can 2005 and 2008 be a “flash in the pan”? A core of players in both years, some of who are great players. I’ll admit 2005 was seat of the pants rugby, maturing in 2008. Grand slams are increadibly difficult to win – england have won one since 1995.

    As for Henson, rugby is for the better IF he is firing on all cyclinders. I’d love to have a fully motivated Gavlar spreading the missionary work at Kingsholm, but currently our centres are coming along nicely – even Tindall.

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