Aggressive signs abutting Rights of Way
I have a very pleasant local walk which uses a mixture of public footpaths and unclassified roads. On all the occasions I’ve walked this loop I’ve only ever come across one other person on a footpath.
Since I’ve been walking this route more and more signs have been erected. The latest is where an access track crosses a public footpath through some woods, not only has a pile of branches been put across each side but two new signs have appeared – large, bright red with the words PRIVATE PROPERTY TRESPASSERS WILL BE PROSECUTED.
So I exit the woods and there’s another sign PRIVATE LAND KEEP TO THE FOOTPATH. Then 200 metres further on there’s a stile with another sign with identical wording. Besides the stile is a gate with a NO PARKING sign plus a further PRIVATE LAND KEEP TO THE FOOTPATH.
Oh and did I mention the signs with CCTV CAMERAS IN OPERATION.
Is this tone, and number of signs, really necessary? Discuss.Posted 11 months agomatt_outandaboutSubscriber
I have two thoughts here
– first is more happens that you realise on that route. A landowner may be having some ongoing issues of cars blocking or folk straying leaving gates open etc. We had issues with ‘wild camping’ on side of Loch Tay – it was out of hours, if you spoke to campers about where they had parked (blocking a farmers field access) they all used to trot out the “we’re only here overnight…” bolleaux. What they didn’t know is the farmer in an attempt to squeeze by one day turned a tractor over on himself…
– second one is that some landowners are selfish and entitled stupids, who attempt to keep all of the land at all costs, and they think aggressive signs will work.Posted 11 months agotthewSubscriber
Pointless. Anyone who wants to access for nefarious reasons won’t be put by a bit of signage. Could also be a new landowner who assumed that getting a footpath closed would be an easy ask of the council.
Could you pull the signs off, and lob them into the woods? 😀 (joking!)Posted 11 months ago
I would just think ” what a sad little man” and ignore them
You could cause mischief over the CCTV tho. To have CCTV that records on public land there are hoops to jump thru and its a reasonable bet the landowner hasn’t done this properly
But so long as the rights of way are not blocked then I would ignore it considering it the landowners problem not yours. If rights of way are blocked then take the appropriate action
Trespassers cannot be prosecuted anyway. Its a civil tort IIRCPosted 11 months ago
If you had a large garden with a public footpath at the bottom would you want loads of old folk in red socks and day packs wandering through it singing valdaree valdarahh…….
A good few years ago I lived in a house with this sort of issue. Big country house split into flats with an SSRI and unique geological formations in a glen behind the house. People could walk across the fields from the village a mile away along the border of our land. this was no issue. However people used to park in the entranceway which made it hard to get you car out onto the NSL road and even on occasion parked in our car parking area and walked thru our gardens to get to the SSRI / Geology. this was very annoying indeed
Basically its back to the principles in the land reform act – ” don’t be a dick”Posted 11 months agoadshSubscriber
Certain activities on private land are not a good mix with people straying from rights of way.
These generally involve putting little holes in feathery or furry animals
If you like to put little holes in aforesaid creatures you would rather people stayed away to avoid scaring off the creatures you want to put holes into. As there is a financial value to this not to mention a safety issue such land owners discourage trespass.
If any trespass is allowed it rapidly becomes a complete free for all.Posted 11 months ago
Thanks for the responses. I realise I’m lucky to have such a varied walk from the door and this aggressive signage really saddens me. There’s little housing around, you need to be pretty determined to get to the woods due to muddy fields. As I stated, have only ever seen one other person walking. No car parks, no cafes. No opportunities for dogging.
CCTV is actually beside what seems to be a remote church, not just the one sign either. Hampshire, not New Forest though.Posted 11 months agojambalayaSubscriber
Seen quite a bit of the same and IMO land owner is entitled to encourage people to stick the the ROW.
adsh yes thats true but how about you have left a load of rusty metal in a pile or half fallen tree / broken branches. Any of these could injure someone then you have ambulance chasing lawyers saying there where no signs ?Posted 11 months agopsycorpMember
I suppose you can put a sign up saying whatever you want. I’ve seen a sign discouraging access to a Bridleway for instance. Doesn’t mean you have to take any notice.
At the end of the day if you choose to buy a property/land with a RoW through some part of it you have to accept it, otherwise there’s nobody else to blame.Posted 11 months ago
At the end of the day if you choose to buy a property/land with a RoW through some part of it you have to accept it, otherwise there’s nobody else to blame.
Indeed. But what I don’t understand is the need to scare or frighten people cos that’s how it comes across to me. Really wouldn’t want folk to be put off from using RoW due to this. OK if a landowner really has to put up a sign then a simple one with the word ‘private’ would suffice. No need for multiple blots on the landscape.
There is another footpath running through the far end of the wood which I haven’t been along for a while so will need to check that out. No shoots around nor grazing livestock.
Do you mean the piles of branches are obstructing the footpath?
No, they’re across what was the access road which presumably they have no use for now.Posted 11 months agobinnersSubscriber
My favouritest sign ever! Its just up from our house, as you head onto the moors. To my knowledge there has never been a rave anywhere in the vicinity since about 1992, but I just love its quaint, retro 80’s threat level. I can see Michael Howard now, on the news, condemning this kind of thing. Aaaaaaaah…. happy days 😀
[url=https://flic.kr/p/ST2UA5]Raves are illegal[/url] by bin lid, on FlickrPosted 11 months ago
Sounds like the owner doesn’t want deviations from the RoW. Fair enough to me. Likely that idiots have felt that they can go where they like or fail to know where and where not to go. CCTV signs do sound as if they have something more to worry about than the odd walker stepping a few yards of the RoW to open his flask or have a pee. Poaching springs to mind.Posted 11 months ago
No more offensive than the signs you see in towns telling you that this is a service road or just back access to the shops.benpinnickSubscriber
Yeah but smaller on the FP sign itself. P***** me off round our way that I am a few hundred metres off the C2C but there’s no other off road access nearby – pretty much nothing (which I am not used to), so I figured I could start, and maybe others will follow.Posted 11 months ago
Chuckles at the sign in binners post.
I complete fail to see how this is a problem to anyone. Bloody good idea actually. It shows the boundary nicely.
On their own these piles of branches do make it clear where people can’t go. But the landowner has also put up two large signs in red saying PRIVATE LAND TRESPASSERS WILL BE PROSECUTED. As I’ve said before, these signs are blots on the landscape and scaring people.
CCTV was for church which isn’t a million miles away.Posted 11 months ago
“PRIVATE LAND TRESPASSERS WILL BE PROSECUTED”Posted 11 months ago
Technically misguided maybe but where is the problem? Its not blocking your RoW is it? If so then deal with it IMHO but if not there is no issue.
There are millions of things dotted about the countryside that are far more offensive to the eye. Totally unnecessary road signs, even foot path signs. Car parking signs, Housing estates. Some bunch of cretins has sign posted the MTB trails around here as if using your eyes doesn’t work. None of this is any big deal on somebody else’s land.
Try and look at it from somebody else’s point of view. There is usually an explanation that eases any dislike. The land owner will have a valid reason and I bet its some pea brain being anti social that’s caused this. Dad really but most of moderns society has bits of that.jekkylMember
There’s a classic passive aggresive one on the climb to charity lane at Macc Forest informing anyone who wishes to use the footpath that they are legally entitled to do but that it goes no-where, just across a field and back again. Trying to dig through my HD for a picture, sure I had one.Posted 11 months agonbtMemberMichael wrote:
There’s a classic passive aggresive one on the climb to charity lane at Macc Forest informing anyone who wishes to use the footpath that they are legally entitled to do but that it goes no-where, just across a field and back again. Trying to dig through my HD for a picture, sure I had one.
it’s this one
the sign says the ROW is there as the path was used for access to the form for delivering post or somesuch, but goes no further than the frarm, IIRCPosted 11 months ago
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