Oh yes… one of those ‘on holiday’ from Birmingham, in the mountains between Pakistan and Afghanistan, in the middle of a war, who just wandered inadvertently close to a terrorist training camp?

Oh dear, your ignorance really is staggering on this one. Begg was arrested in the Pakistani capital, Islamabad (I’d already mentioned this). Last time I checked, it wasn’t a ‘war zone’. Begg was released without charge, never having stood trial.

And Begg has never been convicted of any criminal offence, here in the UK or in the USA. So whilst you may have your prejudiced opinions of him, he is, in the eyes of English law at least, an innocent man. Feel free to prove me wrong.

He may have been in Islamabad when he was picked up. Where had he been prior to that Mike? According to his own book? A clue for you: see my quote above

Oh… and details of how Osama was framed while you’re at it please 😆

Did Osama bin Laden get a fair trial

The problem is , and I do get your point, but there is something uncomfortbable about extending western rights and liberties to folk who attack and despise these very same rights/liberties. When they fight to excercise theirs it is hard to sympathise as they are , frnakly, just taking the piss

I dont like having the piss taken out of the system in this way

Did they/will they get fair trials , probably not but there is probably something in their world view about an eye for an eye and those who live by the sword

Yes officer… I may well have attended 2 Bank Robbery training courses recently. And you may well have caught me outside the bank vault with a large haul of high explosives, and my “idiots Guide to Safe-Blowing’ handbook, but I can assure you I was merely passing, and bank robbery was the furthest thing from my mind

Mike – if you ever want to buy a used car, will you buy it off me please?

He may have been in Islamabad when he was picked up. Where had he been prior to that Mike? According to his own book? A clue for you: see my quote above

so, he wasn’t in a war zone then? Glad to see you admitting you were wrong, thanks.

Again: Do you have any proof to prove that he is guilty of any crimes? Proof that neither the UK or US authorities could find?

Th eproblem is , and I do get your point, but ther eis something uncomfortbable about extending western rights and liberiotioes to folk who attack and despise these very same rights. When they fight to excercise theirs it is hard to sympathise as they are taking the piss

If we deny human beings the rights we believe they should have, then we descend to the level of barbarism. Better that some ‘take the piss’ tyhan to be denied equal rights under law. by acting with dignity, we prove ourselves to be better than those who wish to attack us and deny us our fundamental rights, no?

Mikeconnor = Fred

Mikeconnor = Fred

Shhh…
We all know that but he runs away when it’s mentioned

Hence the mention.

Mikeconnor = Fred

West? Flintstone? Perry? care to explain please? or is this some attempt at an insult?

Mikeconnor = Fred

West? Flintstone? Perry? care to explain please? or is this some attempt at an insult?

Is it a known thing? This thread is the first time I’d considered the possibility. But yes, he is.

Would you allow someone into your home and let them trash the place, make a mess and take your money without giving you anything in return?

You know we are a democracy but when do you stop someone soiling and disrespecting your house?

In addition, the US aren’t savages who live in the hills.

Again: Do you have any proof to prove that he is guilty of any crimes? Proof that neither the UK or US authorities could find?

Lots of people are arrested as suspects all the time on suspicion of all sorts of things from littering to murder and freed at a later date as there’s no case to answer, that’s how it works

Imprisonment without trial is something the ECHR is against, but Gitmo isn’t on US soil, so doesn’t count.

It’s a bitch when the legal system is abused to your advantage isn’t it

Again: Do you have any proof to prove that he is guilty of any crimes? Proof that neither the UK or US authorities could find?

I don’t know. Perhaps it was a bit difficult dusting for fingerprints in the Tora Bora mountains in between the carpet bombing Michael.

BTW…. Have you ever thought about any investments Mike? Plan for your future? You seem like a man of sound judgement. I’ve got some you can’t possibly lose on. I have some friends in Nigeria trying to extract their perfectly legitimate money from the country. You could help. If I could just have your bank details…. 😆

I thought the sad little misfit was banned?

Lots of people are arrested as suspects all the time on suspicion of all sorts of things from littering to murder and freed at a later date as there’s no case to answer, that’s how it works

And lots of people are innocent of the crimes/offences of which thay are accused. and yes, sometimes the guilty go free too. But cases like the Jill dando murder show that we must do our utmost, as a society, to uphold justice, whatever the cost. In that case, and innocent man was convicted for a crime he did not comitt, because of prejudiuce and the public hunger for someone to be held to account. it is vital to ensure that such miscarriages do not occur again. Hence whty hoever nasty a bastard Abu Hamza mosst likely is, we must be seen to exercise due process and legal dignity.

whatever the outcome from this case, whoever unpleasant the taste it will leave, at least we will be able to say that our nation’s legal system worked as it should, and offered the defendant every possible opportunity to get justice. |Isn’t that what’s most important here?

Do you have any proof to prove that he is guilty of any crimes?

You do know hes spent the last few years in a UK prison for a crime don’t you?

In addition do you think someone in the US wakes up and says ‘lets get us some Muslims, British businessmen, hackers who look merely guilty’. 🙄

mikeconnor – end this masqueraded farce now and confess. YOU ARE FRED!

I won’t mind. 😆

What is rthis ‘Fred’ thing? i’m all up for a discussion/debate, but if people chiose instead to try to bait me, then i think it reflects rather sadly on them. hence i’m now going to ignore what appear to be deliberately provocative/insulting comments.

offered the defendant every possible opportunity to get justice

..except the one where he gets to go to America and prove his innocence

I beg to differ!!

In addition, the US aren’t savages who live in the hills.

hence i’m now going to ignore what appear to be deliberately provocative/insulting comments.

the fred enters phase 2 of his re-emergence with a planned mini-flounce and a dubious claim that future baiting will be ignored.

Every man, no matter how deeply offensive his statements, deserves a fair trial before being labelled as Fred.

Just wondering if anyone who has contributed to this debate, has had their opinion or view altered by anything anyone else had put forwards?

Just wondering if anyone who has contributed to this debate, has had their opinion or view altered by anything anyone else had put forwards?

are you new here?

😉

mikeconnor – you’re him aren’t you?

Just wondering if anyone who has contributed to this debate, has had their opinion or view altered by anything anyone else had put forwards?

I never twigged that mikeconnor was fred / paddedcell!

Just wondering if anyone who has contributed to this debate, has had their opinion or view altered by anything anyone else had put forwards?

There’s only been 2 positions here …. [strike]F[/strike] Mike’s and everyone elses’

I’ve analysed Mike and Fred’s Handwriting, and they are exactly the same.

Case closed.

he is never Fred

mikeconnor – you’re him aren’t you?

Lance Armstrong? 😕

grum – Member

mikeconnor – you’re him aren’t you?

Lance Armstrong?

are you saying he only has 1 testicle?

What is rthis ‘Fred’ thing? i’m all up for a discussion/debate, but if people chiose instead to try to bait me, then i think it reflects rather sadly on them. hence i’m now going to ignore what appear to be deliberately provocative/insulting comments.

I’ll tell you what I’d do, right here, right now [©Norman Cook] is get onto the mods about it.

Nick – Member

Just wondering if anyone who has contributed to this debate, has had their opinion or view altered by anything anyone else had put forwards?

I agree with Nick!

I have no problem with him having a MRI.
The results should be put into an envelope which he can take with him on the plane. Perhaps some light reading over the Atlantic.

Will he fly Ryanair?
Do they do 1st class?
Will have to take his own food and drink?
Will he be checked going through Passport control?/Immigration?

I have no idea what this blokes supposed to have done BTW.

bikebouy, now then. Imagine hes a sports agent. He gives talks, finds talent, attends fairs and gives out information. Then he selects good players and sends them off to be trained by the best overseas. Sometimes whilst overseas they might get into abit of trouble. Nowthen, I don’t mean roasting a young lady or drink driving. No something abit more severe than that.

I see…

Does he get paid for what he does, seems like a lot of work and effort that.

Just wondering if anyone who has contributed to this debate, has had their opinion or view altered by anything anyone else had put forwards?

Actually yes, I have.

I didn’t think Mile was Fred previously.

Now I’m almost sure of it.