650b Spicy – conclusively faster says Nico
Fact is that they aren’t holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy the new stuff. If people don’t want them, they won’t buy them.
Ok and to repeat i will have in 26 er size
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they are forcing me especially that bit where they are not making them anymore
FWIW I accept a 29 er can help you munch miles if that is what you want to do but 650 b is nothing and has no real demandPosted 4 years agokelvinSubscriber
If you’re seriously into racing people from the internet then I reckon it’s worth the upgrade.
what i said, but this bike is aimed at us, most pro riders already have a ride.
Does that mean he gets slower as the tyres wear?
I’m still thinking that what we really need is a wheel size in between 26″ and 650B which combines the positive attributes of both.
Bit like the scientific races they have on Top Gear.
We may all be riding 650b one day very soon, but I’m unsure that “performance” is really the reason why.Posted 4 years agohonourablegeorgeMember
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FWIW I accept a 29 er can help you munch miles if that is what you want to do but 650 b is nothing and has no real demand
If you accept that 29ers have a real benefit, then you have to accept that 650b delivers some of the same benefit. Whether that justifies buying a new bike/frame/forks/wheels/whatever (it didn’t for me) is your own decision.
The demand is real – Americans are going 650 crazy, and this time the small manufacturers are getting on board because a lot of them lost sales by not being ready for the 29er explosion in XC bikes.Posted 4 years agoJunkyardMember
you have to accept that 650b delivers some of the same benefit.
Ok then you have to accept that a 26.25 has some of the benefits of a 650 b etc
I dont actually given the thread tells us it may be one second for a pro rider over 3 minutes with poor [experimental]control and we assume times crossing over each other.
So no I dont
The demand is real
well it will be if it is all you sellPosted 4 years agowreckerMember
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and this time the small manufacturers are getting on board because a lot of them lost sales by not being ready for the 29er explosion in XC bikes.
Eh? The Sultan has been around for a loooong time, and the tallboy was hardly behind the curve either.Posted 4 years ago
honourablegeorge – Member
The demand is real – Americans are going 650 crazy
Yep. No question IMO that there’s a real demand. Not an informed demand, mind, but still.
It’s basically a marketing dream… It’s a change, requiring new hardware, which is Exciting! New things! But it’s basically the smallest possible change that could require it, which stops it from being Scary, like 29ers. In the cold light of day it’s ridiculous but it’s easy to see why it’s so appealing.
All my bikes are from people who made the bike they want to, and made it the best they could. I wonder how true that is of the 650b bandwagoneers. Santa Cruz broke the rules by admitting they were making bikes purely to sell to an uninformed demand, rather than because they’re better bikes. Nobody else dares admit that but does anyone believe they’re alone?Posted 4 years agoBadlyWiredDogSubscriber
In the cold light of day it’s ridiculous but it’s easy to see why it’s so appealing.
Money you mean? I don’t see why it’s appealing. I find myself thinking that anyone who buys into it is simply gullible and, dare I say it, stupid. People who bought into 29er were at least choosing something that clearly was different in performance terms, but the whole 650B thing is like something dreamt up by the Onion.
It’s mental and all about selling more stuff when as a world, we should be trying to produce less things and preserve resources not churn out more and more and more things.Posted 4 years agomr plowMember
It would be silly to think you can police change or demand but it does still cause a bit of sand in my fanny (american for bottom, not a rude word).
I built an enduro in 2007. Since building it and riding it tons it has gone through one set of cogs, one shifter and a chainstay which has been replaced (tyres and tubes as well). I still think 650 is overhyped marketing for little change but can understand why manufacturers would do it. I would if I were them and they sold.
It is a shame that we lower economies of scale on new 26″ parts with a new standard.Posted 4 years agoDoctorRadSubscriber
What happens in another few years when a second or two is gleened from another “new thing” ? That could be say a 3 second advantage over winning or losing, one things for sure if the riders train as they do throughout the winter for the start of the race season and are putting in their all I for one would want to see them pushing the boundaries even if it was a second !
This is not ‘a second or two’. 0.35% is around 60 yards over 10 miles, that’s a pretty conclusive win.Posted 4 years ago
mildred – Member
Nico will tell you whatever the folk who provide his free bikes tell him to tell you.
I doubt that- considering that he’s variously championed developments that they’ve never made, criticised bikes they do, declared their production frames to be too stiff and lacking in grip, etc. Lapierre cherrypick his opinions for the ones that match what they want to sell though.Posted 4 years ago
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