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2022 Personal Finances – how tough will it be?
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doomanicFull Member
Fairly low earner here, not looking forward to massively increased fuel bills. On the bright side, my car loan finishes in a couple of months so that’s an extra £227pcm to spend on utilities. 🙄
toemulFree MemberI wouldn’t be supprised if we had the 7th richest poor people in the world..
pk13Full MemberIs it case of everything being so cheap for the last 10 years?
Food
Loans
Fuel ect
It’s all been peged down by global influence especially china. Some people have never know interest rates above 2%
It’s going to get hard for people on all different wages.
Buy now pay later really will come homefootflapsFull MemberI thought it was fifth though?
That was pre-Brexit, we dropped a couple of places since then.
footflapsFull MemberI wouldn’t be supprised if we had the 7th richest poor people in the world..
Again, wealth in $ or £ terms is meaningless, plenty of people can survive on a few $ a day in parts of Africa, but you would freeze / starve to death in the UK on that.
You need to look at wealth in terms of what it can buy in your country eg loafs of bread or average rental on a 1 bed flat etc. You could be a millionaire but if a loaf of bread cost £5m you’d still starve to death.
tthewFull MemberSorry to pick you up on this and it’s not personal but I really hate this claim that 7th richest country in the world is important.
S’OK, I’m not offended. That’s quite an interesting distinction, I learned something.
I thought it was fifth though?
Well I didn’t google it beforehand either, I’m sure 7th was the telly report statement when that big summit was going on in Cornwall a few months ago, but if we are 5th on whatever measure that is, well my argument is even stronger!
mrwhyteFree MemberIn my role I attend lots of community meetings with various charities, groups etc. All are worried about those on UC and low incomes. Food banks are struggling with demand already, mental health charities are seeing increased demand, many of these new referrals are farmers. We’ve seen a huge demand for our financial literacy courses.
It is going to be horrific for many people over the coming months possibly years. Increased repossessions, increased suicide, increase in mental health referrals. Strain on public services as a result. I work in East Devon with relatively low levels of economic deprivation, so would hate to think about other areas with higher levels of deprivation.
I am getting twitchy, I’m on the average wage, wife on maternity but her savings will run out quickly with increased costs. So will have to go back to work earlier than she wanted. Belts have been tightened already in preparation.
grahamt1980Full MemberI suspect the impact won’t just be confined to the poorer in society either. The impact will likely be bigger in them though.
But there have to be a lot of people with massive mortgages and outgoings who don’t have the headroom for big increases in bills.
It’s going to be shit for way too many peopleanagallis_arvensisFull MemberIt’s “really grim” for MP’s on 82k according to some Tory idiot. Seriously who votes for these ****?
grahamt1980Full MemberHe said this
‘I take the view that being an MP is the greatest honour you could have
Which makes him a ginormous weapon of the first order anyway. But what a dick.
footflapsFull MemberAnd that £82k is before they add on all their expenses eg travel to/from constituency etc.
https://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/pay-mps/
Richie_BFull MemberIt’s “really grim” for MP’s on 82k according to some Tory idiot.
Our poor MP has to commute over 120 miles each way to visit her constituency (and then needs a local guide & interpreter to navigate somewhere she has barely been to and understand the local accent). It must be hell for her, it’s not like they get expenses or anything….
stgeorgeFull MemberMy daughter starts nursery next month, costing £1300/month. This feels like poor timing…
Probably is poor timing, but if you can afford to pay 15,000 pa, (after tax) for nursery place for one, you’ll be fine. (Of course I know nothing about your situation)
footflapsFull MemberIt’s “really grim” for MP’s on 82k according to some Tory idiot.
Odd how it’s grim for an MP on £82k but fine for someone on UC to have a £20/week cut from £90 to £70!
P-JayFree MemberMy daughter starts nursery next month, costing £1300/month. This feels like poor timing…
Jesus, we paid £900 a month for a couple of years and it nearly killed me. Obvs you’ll be wanted to max out any childcare voucher scheme you can use!
I remember the day my Daughter started full-time school, I thought to myself “£900 a month saved, I could lease a Porsche for that!” never works out that way does it? ha ha.
footflapsFull MemberMy daughter starts nursery next month, costing £1300/month. This feels like poor timing…
and people wonder why birth rates are falling.
Chatting to people at work who come back part time after having a child, they basically work for free, all their wages go on child care; they just come back for the social / career aspect.
kelvinFull Memberbut if you can afford to pay 15,000 pa, (after tax) for nursery place for one
My other half effectively paid to work for years.
What people have to pay, and what they can afford to pay, aren’t the same thing.
A key thing to remember when talking about the year ahead… many people will keep paying rent, energy bills, commuting costs, child care… if the alternative is unemployment and still having outgoings they can’t afford. And if they choose to give up a job that doesn’t pay the way, and can’t get into one that would, they’ll be labelled a lazy and get caught up in increasingly punitive benefits system if single or their other is on low pay.
revs1972Free MemberChatting to people at work who come back part time after having a child, they basically work for free, all their wages go on child care; they just come back for the social / career aspect.
Back when we were pre school ( 46 years ago ) , there were a group of 4 of us who’s mothers all worked ( apparently quite unusual back then ). They took it in turns to look after us during the week, each taking a day off to do so. Boom, free childcare…
Are there any legal implications doing this in todays world ?kelvinFull MemberNo, but you’d all need to be working part time. Suddenly “free” becomes… “on a reduced income”.
footflapsFull Memberapparently quite unusual back then
Yep, when I was a kid, most of my peer groups mums were all full time houswives (or whatever the phrase was back in the 70s), but then you could have a ‘good’ life on one wage back then.
P-JayFree MemberYep, when I was a kid, most of my peer groups mums were all full time houswives (or whatever the phrase was back in the 70s), but then you could have a ‘good’ life on one wage back then.
I read about the social economic impact of two-income families becoming the norm a couple of years ago. It wasn’t kind.
It started with good intentions, Women, quite rightly, wanted more independence from their husbands. Having their own job and then career, meant they no longer needed to ask for ‘pin money’ for the things they wanted, plus it allowed them to extend their social circle beyond their neighbours and extended families.
The unintended consequences were less favourable though, two income families did as much for house price inflation in the 80s as right-to-buy did, in fact inflation as a whole. Things quickly evolved from “we’ve got a much better ‘lifestyle’ because Mum’s got a job” to pretty much every family needing two incomes to be able to rent, let alone buy a family sized house. Also, as we know, being a housewife/husband/full time parent is hard work, and that work doesn’t all go away just because the house is empty all day.
MoreCashThanDashFull MemberThe unintended consequences were less favourable though, two income families did as much for house price inflation in the 80s as right-to-buy did, in fact inflation as a whole. Things quickly evolved from “we’ve got a much better ‘lifestyle’ because Mum’s got a job” to pretty much every family needing two incomes to be able to rent, let alone buy a family sized house. Also, as we know, being a housewife/husband/full time parent is hard work, and that work doesn’t all go away just because the house is empty all day.
As a child of the 70s/80s that’s always been my thought as well. We relocated to the Midlands for a smaller mortgage so we wouldn’t both have to work full time around the kids, and we’ve still “done without” a lot of things friends seemed to expect as normal to make it work. Currently me who is the part timer.
andrewhFree MemberWhen I was at primary school in the 80s I was in a class of 13, none of those mothers worked. There were a few with working mothers in my class of around 30 at secondary school in the 90s but that was unusual and I think all part time.
.The unintended consequences were less favourable though, two income families did as much for house price inflation in the 80s as right-to-buy did, in fact inflation as a whole. Things quickly evolved from “we’ve got a much better ‘lifestyle’ because Mum’s got a job” to pretty much every family needing two incomes to be able to rent, let alone buy a family sized house. Also, as we know, being a housewife/husband/full time parent is hard work, and that work doesn’t all go away just because the house is empty all day.
That is a big problem. Two incomes are now, in a lot of cases, a necessity. Unless we collectively agree to go to back to single earner households and make the price of houses plummet I can’t think of a way out of this
mosFull MemberI work in construction & it’s gone mental, material prices through the roof & an apparent shortage of good staff. I just don’t see how it’s going to be sustained into next year, some materials have risen 50% in 6 months and yet clients are still gobbling it up as they need projects completed. I don’t get where the money is coming from, considering how the reduced appetite for leased/rented office space in city centres will affect some companies.
footflapsFull MemberI work in construction & it’s gone mental, material prices through the roof
This is mainly the problem of restarting the global economy from cold, a lot of it will iron itself out and it will return back to normal eg there is no shortage of trees for wood etc, it’s just containers / ships are in the wrong places at the moment.
I don’t get where the money is coming from, considering how the reduced appetite for leased/rented office space in city centres will affect some companies.
All that government borrowing to pay for the pandamic is matched by an almost equivalent amount of savings by individuals which is looking for a return…
https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2021/04/excess-savings-are-not-excessive/
nickcFull MemberBelts have been tightened already in preparation.
Just yesterday I cancelled a Patreon sub, a monthly beer sub and cancelled a bit of the telly package that we don’t really use much, all of it’s about £40.00 in total. Not massive but over a year…It all adds up. I doubt we’re the only people in the country doing it.
BillMCFull Member‘Richest countries in the world’ is meaningless without considering eg population size and the distribution of income and wealth. India is a ‘rich’ country but you’ll never see more ‘street life’ anywhere.
snotragFull MemberRef Nursery…
Jr turned 3 in August and thus we now get the ‘free’ 30 hours. Firstly, dont be fooled by that, its not free, and its only during term time. You still have (optional technically, but not realistically) to fund the food, trips, extras etc.
Given that he goes 3 days a week, my bill when averaged out has gone from about £600p/m to about £280p/m. Obviously I am using the maximum allowance I can in terms of tax free vouchers etc.I just thought that was worth noting, as its often quoted that ‘its free when they turn three’ but its really not. Another year till he joins reception and it’ll drop again.
I’d pay it all again in a hearbeat as A) its superb, I cannot possibly imagine why even the wealthiest family with live-in 24/7 nanny wouldn’t still send their child to a Nursery, its so good for them, and B) it allows my partner to work part time, because as well as a Mother shes also a person in her own right and deserves a career and all it brings. Financially in the short term theres not a lot in it – but long term a bigger difference.
P-JayFree Member‘Richest countries in the world’ is meaningless without considering eg population size and the distribution of income and wealth. India is a ‘rich’ country but you’ll never see more ‘street life’ anywhere.
GDP per capita is usually the benchmark, but that is often skewed when you have massive inequality like you see in the US, India and of course the UK (although we’re some why behind).
For example, the UK is the 6th richest country in the world by GDP.
But because of our relatively large population, we’re the 26th richest by GDP per capita.
We’re 10th in the table by the measure of GDP PPP (which considers cost of living, effectively the ‘power’ of money in the UK.
When it comes to inequality, there is a measure called HDI, or Human Development Index, it not only considered GDP PPP which should give a indication of level of lifestyle, but also considers education levels and life expectancy. It’s far from perfect, our wonderful NHS at least allows most of us to lead long healthy lives, and there’s now a legal requirement for every under 18 to be educated in some way shape or other. We’re 13th in the world and that measure is probably the most interesting to me. Rather than giving an indication of how many people in a country could possibly become rich, or indeed how rich, it gives a better idea of how good that country is for average people. Norway, which despite a huge oil industry rarely bothers the top ten of most economic table, but is number 1 in HDI.
trail_ratFree MemberChatting to people at work who come back part time after having a child, they basically work for free, all their wages go on child care; they just come back for the social / career aspect.
Are nursary fees that much more down in England. Other halfs a teacher which while “well” paid hardly ground braking and has gone back part time.
It’s not nearly working for free. But then potentially nursary fees up here are much less ??? £750/month less tax.
But still like most I can’t wait till she turns three for the “free” hours. Should just about cover the increase in NI and utility’s
We did have a JDE admin at work who was ok after baby 1. But baby 2 tipped it in favour of not working at all. Even with the wife as a teacher I can see that -and it only gets worse with each kid more.
poolmanFree MemberI m guessing nursery fees and care homes charge what they can get away with. Full nursing care home in Surrey is 84k pa, nw England 30k pa. Very similar levels of care too, the room in Surrey was a bit nicer but not by much.
kelvinFull MemberDid they pay all the staff the same? Is the building of the same value (so mortgage or rent the same cost)?
footflapsFull MemberI m guessing nursery fees and care homes charge what they can get away with.
Aren’t they supposed to take state vouchers at a prescribed rate.
IIRC Neither of which (nursery vouchers or council care home rates) actually cover the cost of providing the service, so they have cross subsidise it with higher rates from those who pay cash.
The number of staff per child etc I assume is regulated as is minimum wage, so their staff costs are pretty much fixed by regulation.
ircFree Membery I cancelled a Patreon sub, a monthly beer sub and cancelled a bit of the telly package that we don’t really use much, all of it’s about £40.00 in total. Not
That will cover the spring energy cap increase. A £400 increase on top of current increases likely in spring according to Radio Scotland today.
I’ll be coming off a 1 year fix in March. Expect my Bill’s to go up £60 a month.
Pity the UK gas fracking was strangled at birth by over regulation. Pity we have little storage. Depending other countries for basics like fas and electricity is a bad idea when there is an alternative.
I’ll do a bit of overtime if I need to for the higher hills. Not an option for everyone though.
footflapsFull MemberPity we have little storage.
That’s the main issue, this is just a short term spike in demand which large storage would help smoothe out.
As for fracking, have you seen the mess it leaves all over the USA, polluted water tables etc? I’d rather pay more for gas and at least have clean drinking water….
andrewhFree MemberFirstly, dont be fooled by that, its not free,its paid for by the tax payer and its only during term time
FTFY.
It annoys me when politicians describe things as ‘free’, the words tax-payer funded are much more accurate. Someone, somewhere is paying for it all.footflapsFull MemberOn the subject of child care costs, this just popped up in my FB feed….
Doesn’t have the UK in it, but interesting all the same:
Capture by Ben Freeman[/url], on Flickr
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/06/upshot/child-care-biden.html
kelvinFull MemberPity we have little storage.
Gas storage is key… but in the UK we twiddle with the market in the hope that it will result in storage being kept/increased… which hasn’t worked out well, has it? Other countries take other approaches.
jam-boFull MemberFirstly, dont be fooled by that, its not free,its paid for by the tax payer and its only during term time
I have some close contacts in the childcare business. its a loss leader for the nursery as well. the rates paid by the LA don’t come close to covering the costs. I believe you aren’t allowed to turn down a request for free hours but every ‘free’ hour costs the nursery. if they are lucky, there are add on hours etc that they can charge for to recoup some of the loss. its not a great business to be in.
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