Its not rocket science.

Corbyn has a net approval rating of -40%, that’s pretty much been his average for all of 2019.

Blame who you like for this, him, his cronies, the right wing press, Murdoch, Tom Watson or whoever it doesn’t matter.

No one is getting into power with an approval rating this bad.

Here’s the strange thing about our political system, you need to be in government to implement policies. So if you persist with a leader then the public really dislike, their reasons don’t matter only their votes, then you aren’t getting into power.

Corbyn’s use of the selected quote with the fictional full stop is (yet another) instance of what Brexitcast tells me is called: “shit posting” to encourage ‘hate sharing’.

If you want something to go viral you put an error in it or a fallacy your opponents will share in order to criticize/correct it. So people spot the lie, but they indignantly share it and you get your key underlying message out which hopefully cuts through. The 350m is the first example I recall in the UK, and it’s been constant this election.

We complain about it, but we’re to blame. We only share stuff we hate. All the papers do it, if they write measured sane stories nobody shares. If they write distasteful lies it gets shared widely.

a lot of this centrist/left/right framing is nonsense. Do you want to keep foreigners out? Is that left or right, or just nationalist? Do you want workers on boards? Is that left or right, or just following best practise used in other countries? Do your want to invest in new Hospitals? Is that left or right, or just what needs doing due to the age of many of our hospitals?

This. Left/right never meant much, it means nothing these days.

Is Len making up labour party policy on the hoof again?

Letting the membership know what he’s decreed once he’s announced it in a press conference.

I know Grandad and chums are big supporters of dodgy South American regimes. They certainly seem to like their methods

Bailey

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Pidcock

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There’s a wealth of talent outside of the usual white male options.

This is very true. They tend to be pushed out of Labour leadership battles early on though. Hopefully it’ll be different next time.

All the other names you mention have real potential, in my humble opinion.

Ed Balls? Kier Starmer? Come on guys, it’s clear as day the next leader should be a woman.

The next leader should be someone people would like and vote for because they like them. That is how shallow politics has become and Labour just need to play the game as a way to get into power.

If it has to be a female for some strange reason? then I don’t find the female’s you have put forward as particularly likable, in fact Long Bailey is the opposite.

And while there is talent (Lammy, Lewis) that does not mean they will appeal to majority of people – I can think of one reason why a lot of people wouldn’t like Lammy or Lewis

Do you want a chance to stay in Europe and accept fairly had left or do you want ultra right and leave?

I think your use of “hard left” is somewhat misleading. Unless we believe Binners and co that its all a stalking horse the primary policies being proposed arent exactly hard left.
For the tories again the policies being proposed (although oddly at the moment there arent many since they seem to be busy inventing policies and costings for Labour rather than themselves) are unlikely to be hard right. Take the claims and counter claims about the NHS etc.
Even the policing ones arent exactly hard right its more “we will rehire some of those we sacked”.
The power of the ERG outside of brexit negotiations is unclear.

It seems to me that BOTH sides of this are using Brexit as a means to get elected with a manifesto and cabinet that would not be elected without

To some degree.
I honestly believe Johnson supported brexit on the grounds he thought it would lose but he would be able to use the support from the brexiteers to get into power. As he has sort of done but problem is currently he is a tad of a lame duck. Since he started down that path though he doesnt seem to have a reverse gear since he has alienated the more moderates so can only keep going.
Labour are definitely trying to use it in the same way the Libdems etc are. I think the only ones who are truly going the sacrifical route are Sinn Feinn although even there the sacrifice is less than for most.
As for the manifestos see above. Even if either party was planning a proper extreme manifesto they wouldnt be admitting to it.

FFS – is this “Hard left” false narrative still being spouted?

Bollox to that. Labour need a female leader. It’s long overdue, and if positive discrimination is required then fine by me.

As I say …. you can vote for whomever you want so long as it’s who/what we dictate and if you disagree it’s because you’re racist, sexist or homophobic.

Incidentally I actually think they are long overdue and it would be a good idea… but only if people get a choice.

I honestly believe Johnson supported brexit on the grounds he thought it would lose but he would be able to use the support from the brexiteers to get into power.

Blimey! We actually agree on something. I think exactly the same. He’d lose heroicaly (how very British), but with his right wing credentials emboldened enough to win him the leadership in the post referendum car crash.

Referendum lost, Brexit shelved for a generation, and Boris in number 10. Job jobbed!

Oops! Didn’t quite work out like that

And since then he’s had no option but to double down and get more and more extreme as he has became the figurehead for the headbangers who’s support he is now dependent on

Blimey! We actually agree on something.

I’d go way past that…. sure that’s how it started but he’s since got into bed with some fairly dangerous people and couldn’t get off the merry go round even if he wanted.

There is not even anything “fairly” hard left about labour policies. just left of centre social democratic policies

Hard left is nationalisation without compensation. Hard left is confistication of personal assets. Hard left is a fully planned economy.

there is nothing remotely hard left about labour

I know Grandad and chums are big supporters of dodgy South American regimes.

Laughable that you don’t understand the US’s historic track record in such areas. Laughable.

But then the worst you could say about Swindleson – is she comes across as as bothersome as a teacher…

Laughable that you don’t understand the US’s historic track record in such areas.

Its alright comrade. I’ve read the Shock Doctrine. You’ll not get a more left wing take on the subject than that. I’m not defending the Americans and their foreign policy.

But whats laughable is the ridiculously simplistic lefty ‘my enemies enemy is my friend’ attitude that any regime that the Americans don’t like must automatically be absolutely bloody brilliant and must be praised and supported.

Its a 6th form level of debate that leads to the turning of blind eyes to all manner of human rights abuses, corruption and generally anti-democratic nonsense, as was the case in Bolivia.

Imagine if Trump declared that he was changing the American constitution so that he could run for another term. There would be uproar. Every lefty would be wetting themselves with thunderous indignation. Just imagine the placards!

But someone who calls people ‘comrade’ does it and its all fine because… erm….. socialism 🙄

Imagine if Trump declared that he was changing the American constitution so that he could run for another term.

But someone who calls people ‘comrade’ does it and its all fine

This.

play the race card you mean? a shoddy trick and I dont think they are actually that clever. I prefer to think he is merely a numpty

Mind you – its pretty much what Burnham did

play the race card you mean

No not at all. The immigration that leavers and remainers are looking at is from the EU. A lot of that is indistinguishable from the ‘race’ that is already here.

And its not like this is the first time its happened, is it?

Nope. Sometimes it’s ego, sometimes incompetence, and sometimes it’s strategy. An acknowledgement that the manifesto isn’t going to get you elected. Which means that no matter how good your democratically arrived at platform is, it means nothing if you are in opposition.
Elected first. Enact policies later.
The longer this election goes without labour moving the needle, the more of this I suspect you will see.

Bollox to that. Labour need a female leader. It’s long overdue, and if positive discrimination is required then fine by me.

This kind of attitude and policy making is one of the reasons people are abandoning Labour.

cromolyolly “Playing the race card” is a political trick a old as politics. Whipping up hatred of some group for political gain. Its been used many times in many places including by Burnham in the manchester mayors election

thats the sense I meant it. sorry for not being clear

I still do’t think it was intentional policy from labour. Its an old dinosaur chipping his two bobs worth in not understanding he stupidity of doing so