The MSM, eh?

In 1994, the Guardian advised the IRA's Gerry Adams that hanging about with Jeremy Corbyn was bad for his image.

'if he is canny about the image he wants to project in Britain he wont accept too many invitations from Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn.'#NeverCorbyn #CorbynIRA pic.twitter.com/BtS6RmtgyI

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NHS staff have to behave as professionals at all times. You must not do anything even in your time out of work to bring the profession into disrepute ( professionally registered staff ) My guess would be that this is just them being reminded of that Social media policy is quite tight.

Perhaps with some over zealous manager adding to it / takin git too far. they can refuse expecially if they believe it is withing the social media policy

for example ” the NHS needs more funding and staff” should be OK ” my unit is always shortstaffed” is not ( by my understanding)

I’d be asking the person pushing this for why and ask to see the policy that allows the manager to ask for the tweets to be removed.

I need to register to vote as I’m out of the UK. Where does my vote go/get counted? The last place I was registered in the UK?

Exactly. You’ll need to confirm when you left the UK and how you want to vote (postal or proxy mainly)

Question for the various experts here – how should I vote? I don’t want people to debate my views (they’re not perfect, but they’re mine) – just advice on which way to vote and why.
If I had to rank my personal priorities they would be:
– Stop Brexit/ at least keep the UK in the common market.
– Kick out the Tories, and associated racist populists.
– Prevent mass nationalisation and appropriation of listed companies, private schools etc
– Avoid electing anti-semitic and/or racist populists to power, it’ll only encourage them.

Logic would probably suggest Lib Dems – they’re not openly in favour of mass nationalisation, and they’re not the Tories. But they won’t win a majority, and there’s a real risk of splitting the anti-racist populist vote.
The other option is Labour, but if they get a majority to start pushing through their more radical plans, the whole country’s going to hell in a handcart, with large companies fleeing, government debt rocketing (energy companies don’t come cheap), etc.

So, what do you suggest and why?

You sound like you’re in the same boat as me. I guess it depends on your constituency: if the Lib Dems have a chance of winning the seat then you’re probably best off voting for them; if they’re too far behind to win then I’d say that any party that’s closest and isn’t UKIP or BP is going to be your only choice.

JP

It’s a comparison between regions back in 2017 and currently.

Yes… Labour’s actions since 2017 have turned away lots of voters. Especially as they took their votes as “a vote for Brexit” when all polling said that the opposite was the case; people who voted Labour overwhelming wanted Brexit stopped. No surprise there. BUT, the polls are comparing the 2017 Election Day with 2019 before the election campaign really gets going… Labour won a lot of people over during the 2017 campaign, and hopefully will do so again this time.

If those polls above are right then all but a tiny few of us are f*****! And we’ll deserve it.

Things can change, but this election will be about damage limitation for Labour, if they can get close to their 2017 seat count, they’ll be doing well. We are reliant on Labour bouncing in the polls back towards 2017 Election Day levels AND the other opposition parties taking far more Tory seats than they currently look to be heading for.

Currently, Labour do not seem to understand what the game is… get enough MPs from all the other parties to block a Johnson government. SNP seem to really get it, from the way they are taking, as do those parties stepping aside in some England & Wales seats for parties they have little in common with other than stopping Brexit and Johnson.

How odd that YouGov polls are so optimistic regarding the Tories and so pessimistic regarding Labour, it’s almost as if there is some motive behind the quality of their polling.

Oh hang on, wasn’t YouGov started up by Stephan Shakespeare, former owner of ConservativeHome and Nadhim Zahawi (who needs no introduction really), slumlord and Tory?

I was about to say the same ctk … I have no idea why YouGuv rigging their polling (they don’t, this is just blame the messenger syndrome) to show a Tory lead helps the Tories… it should help to get people involved in the opposition campaigns and get people out to vote as things swing away form the Tories as the campaign goes on. Hopefully it will also focus minds on stopping Johnson.

Anybody just anybody but bullsh1tboris and I don’t care if I have to hold my nose but working in engineering and manufacturing has taught me these guys don’t give a toss about this sector.

This is my only post on the subject this is a mtb group after all 😉

JeZ

Sturgeon has been speaking very well about what might happen post election.

Swinson has been working to try and increase the number of non-Tory MPs, even where those MPs are not from her own party.

Corbyn has been working for a Labour majority or bust, leaving it ‘till after the election to address and deal with reality.

After the Tories made cuts to education would you trust Gove and BoJo?

Hell no.

Kelvin – the lib dems simply have not done so. They have placed conditions on any co operation with labour that are impossible for labour to agree. IMO this was done deliberately to attempt to give the lib dems the high moral ground. Well it ain’t fooled me

The pact with the greens and PC is very one way only working in the lib dems favour and is also highly hypocritical as they will work with PC in wales but refused to work with SNP in Scotland because the SNP want independence. Well what do PC want?

Also the position on referenda is hypocritical in supporting a second EU one but not a second scots one.

Just to be clear, Labour policy is not ‘mass nationalisation’. Just nationalising a few essential services, like we have now e.g. health, police and fire service, which makes sense.

Whilst I don’t agree with Swinsons tactics, and I don’t like Swinson in general anyway, you can’t put this all on the lib dems, corbyn is just as bad as her in this respect, they are both putting themselves before party and country.

If the tories get back in, that’ll be on both of them for being totally pig headed.

I have no idea why YouGuv rigging their polling (they don’t, this is just blame the messenger syndrome)

+1

I’d guess these guys don’t sit down with a spreadsheet themsleves, they hire people in.

So they sit in an interview and say “Before we employ you we need to know you’re willing to add X% onto our favoured party.”? In which case don’t all the guys who failed to get the job go straight to the press?

Or do they not mention it at the interview but new hires get told on day 1, “you need to add X% onto our favoured party, we know this will make you look incompetent and harm your own future in the Polling so thanks” in which case how come none of them ever walk out then and there and go to the media? Or why don’t they (more likely) go to the media and cash in on a massive story when they change jobs?

Like many conspiracy theories, it requires an implausible amount of cooperation from a lot of people.

Moreover the political parties clearly trust the polls as the best estimates available – their campaign strategies prove that. If sootyandjim is aware of shenanigans why aren’t the people who rely on these polls for accurate data?

Gotta love conspiracy theories.

All the recent Yougov poll dismay and the aggregate tracker tells a different story…

The Britain Elects poll tracker – now updated.

Labour appears to be the beneficiary of this week, up 1.4pts:

CON: 37.8% (+0.2)
LAB: 27.0% (+1.4)
LDEM: 16.0% (-0.5)
BREX: 10.1% (-0.7)
GRN: 3.4% (-0.1)

Src:https://t.co/spVpGNV8oG
Chgs. w/ 04 Nov pic.twitter.com/fhlDnNJdtR

— Britain Elects (@britainelects) November 9, 2019

On the polling – its not about adding a % on its about the questions asked and how they weight the responses. certain pollsters always predict higher tory votes than others

kelvin

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Okay… simple question… why won’t Labour stand aside for any Green candidates? Greens have stood aside for Labour in some seats, and some other parties have stood aside for the Greens in other seats. Labour…?

The greens got an average of 2.2% in seats they stood in last time. First 3 examples I looked at the Lib Dems have stood aside for the greens in Bury St Edmonds- where they took 5.7% of the vote last time, in Brighton Pavillion where they didn’t run at all last time but took 2.8% in 2015, and in the Isle of Wight where they took 3.7%. So what has it actually cost either party to stand aside?

I don’t know of any seats where you get any sort of equivalence for Labour and the Greens. Can you suggest any? The greens lost their deposits in all but 9 seats last time, and unless I’ve missed on Brighton Pavillion is the only seat they really have any chance this time.

I’ve missed on Brighton Pavillion is the only seat they really have any chance this time.

Are Labour standing a candidate there, risking the Conservatives gaining a seat?

See, here’s the thing, there are lots more seats where the Greens (or other opposition candidates) could step aside to help Labour stop the seat going to Johnson’s party, and they probably would, if Labour would just throw them a bone and stand aside in one or two seats. It is an arrangement that would overwhelming help Labour far more than the Greens, and keep a few more Tory MPs out of the commons. But Labour won’t.

See, here’s the thing, there are lots more seats where the Greens (or other opposition candidates) could step aside to help Labour stop the seat going to Johnson’s party, and they probably would, if Labour would just throw them a bone and stand aside in one or two seats. It is an arrangement that would overwhelming help Labour far more than the Greens, and keep a few more Tory MPs out of the commons. But Labour won’t.

Absolutely this.

Labour are far too arrogant for thier own good, just look at posts from Dazh and Tj for that.

Until labour start being progressive and cooperative, they are stuffed.

The recent polls show we’ll still have a hung parliament so someone’s going to have to work with someone.

Not a formal coalition per se, but an agreement on certain topics like brexit.

Sooner or later the children in government are going to have to learn how to share thier toys.
Most children learn this by the age of 3.