From BBC political correspondent……’Jeremy Corbyn setting a high bar for future Labour government. Says it would be judged on;

– Whether in work poverty exists in 5 years
– Whether people still sleeping rough in 5 years
– Whether people still rely on food banks in 5 years
– Whether is Brexit sorted in 6 months’

Answers, in order, are – yes, yes, yes, no.

On a different subject, Alun Cairns just resigned as Sec of State for Wales; his intention to stand as MP not yet known.

That Cairns resignation is another piece of chaos in the tory campaign. couldn’t have come at a better time.

This is not a value judgement on if the policy is right or wrong. Just we need to be clear on the maths here.

Two things would worry me though not really relevant as only the Libdems stand a chance in my constituency…
1) A lot of maths… not just this but spending our way out of a recession …
2) Whatever Jeremy has planned it is so far left of Sweden/Denmark it can’t be done in the EU

The business insider ( not a publication I know but sounds like it should be a tory friend) is now leading with Russian money flowing into the tory party. this is a story that is going to keep on running I bet. Suppressing the report on Russian interference and accepting huge sums of money from Putins pals!

Boris Johnson’s Conservative Party has received a surge in donations from Russians in recent months.
Donors with ties to Putin have donated hundreds of thousands of pounds to the party.
They have previously paid for meetings with senior government figures including Johnson.
The figures come as Johnson blocks publication of a report into potential Russian influence over recent UK elections.
Johnson’s senior strategist Dominic Cummings is also under the spotlight following reports about time he spent in Russia in the 1990s.

https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnsons-conservatives-receive-surge-in-cash-from-russians-2019-11?r=US&IR=T&fbclid=IwAR30GMG81LCQ1HV59gyHJUcsrUYpZojvnd2NkusOXDwnX13NJYa3WPDhsfU

The liars (seem to be Tories) have been getting found out since Johnson became PM. Unfortunately as stevextc points out, it doesn’t matter to a lot of people. The very people they insult keep voting for them.
Very much the Trump “I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and people would still vote for me”

The ideological tories and breixteers are not enough to get Johnson a majority. He needs to convert people to his cause. Playing to the 30% that support anything you say is not enough. He has to gain millions of votes to get a majority. Its these swing voters that count and lying surely puts them off?

Really? Name one such ting please.

You already named one .. stealing 10% off businesses but that is not really the point I’m making.

He’s an ardent Leaver because the EU is too capitalist and restrictive for his red unicorn.
As Sweden and Denmark seem to be able to exist perfectly well within the EU his red unicorn must be well left of them.

Personally I’d like to see a Swedish style socialism in the UK but whatever Corbyn has in his head is obviously not that.

As an average member of society you are not losing 10% of the piffling amount you have, you are gaining 10% of the whole pot. Still the vast majority will be owned by the 1%ers as now, but it will look just a little more even.

To use your phraseology, so wrong its almost a lie. The £500 cap per person means that the man in the street won’t get another 10% of the value of the companies, it will get a small share with the government getting the rest.

(He sounds a bit rubbish, doesn’t he.)

(Repeating already fully debunked lies about new hospitals, and some weird claim that the Labour’s replacement for Ofsted would mean your kids getting beaten up at school – get used to this.)

that the Labour’s replacement for Ofsted would mean your kids getting beaten up at school

Well, he is somewhat of an expert in helping to get people beaten up.

This is the phone call Boris Johnson doesn't want you to hear.

His friend, convicted fraudster Darius Guppy, planned to have a journalist beaten up, and Johnson was happy to help.

Is this a man we want as Prime Minister?#ToryLeadershipRace #BorisJohnson pic.twitter.com/GUq9QePTGK

— Momentum (@PeoplesMomentum) June 26, 2019

Certainly the early signs look good for labour and the tories are reacting to events and having to apologise for multiple things. Tories are certainly on the back foot.

Moving on to Juncker’s interview with Katya Adler – ‘and he said he did not think Labour’s pledge to renegotiate the withdrawal agreement if it wins a majority in the general election was a realistic approach – although this would be an issue for his successor’.
Sure, he’s on his way out but I doubt he is talking out of turn.

nah Juncker wants a brexit deal done as part of his legacy, and he doesnt speak for the council of ministers- Im sure theyd be very pleased with that

as for what a Labour brexit would look like……… a lot of fluff & drama but theyll never get to stop FOM & keep SM acces they want, so it will be a Norway deal

which could be signed off far quicker as its off the shelf

which would be an interesting referendum vs remain!

whatever Corbyn has in his head is obviously not that.

But as we know, Labour party policy is not set by the leader…

Conservatives largest party and Labour a distant second? I’d hate to see what your pessimistic outlook is!

If Labour can match their MP count from 2017, and both SNP and LibDems can increase their MP count, if only by single figures, then that is a far far better result than Johnson getting the majority he has called this election to try and get. PC, Greens and independents might also grab a few Tory seats if people get smart with their votes. This is pretty much the best result we can hope for, and currently still looking very unlikely… let’s hope the next few weeks see that change… there are nuggets of current news that you cling on to for hope at least.

TBH leader is like a sheep leading the goats in this case but not what the UK needs right now (is it?)

Labour party has a democratic process. This is how it’s always been isn’t it? It seems reasonable to me, I’d rather that than one nutjob ruling the whole place.

Sure, momentum have dragged the party leftwards but then we’re back to the problem with FPTP as most people don’t have their own political home do they? We all have to house-share.

Hold your fire.

So we ignore anything said ‘till we read the manifestos? That’ll mean no critiques of anything Brexit Party related then… as they’ll be avoiding writing anything down in a manifesto, I suspect.

Labour party has a democratic process. This is how it’s always been isn’t it? It seems reasonable to me, I’d rather that than one nutjob ruling the whole place.

It’s a form of democracy … and ignoring the union block votes for now it doesn’t seem supportable as a way to run a country. I’m guessing you too remember the 70’s…? but equally the Soviet union or places like Cuba, Libya soon dispatched with democracy in order to get anything done.

It’s perhaps sad but human nature seems to get in the way …

You’re determined to interpretet the reports you’ve read in the worst possible light. It’s not even published policy yet, there isn’t even a manifesto. Hold your fire.

That is what most of the electorate will do….

You’re determined to interpretet the reports you’ve read in the worst possible light. It’s not even published policy yet, there isn’t even a manifesto. Hold your fire.

I’m not talking about “reports”, and I’m not interpreting anything. You can hear it yourself on the link above. It’s been announced at the same time as “Warm Homes for all” and the “Nationalization at a Fair rate” policy. You can hear RLB quizzed on it so there’s no room for misunderstanding.

The FT have run analysis on it.

…but let’s just remember for future reference that this policy is so mental that when they first heard about it several people literally didn’t even believe it.

OOB – yes the FT ran an analysis as have others and its nothing like what you keep on claiming.

OOB – one thing among many you are ( deliberatly?) misunderstanding is that the Labour government will pay for these shares not simply take them. so of course that negates most of your rather hysterical argument

All we have at the moment is an outline of the plan. No details.