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2019 General Election
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v8ninetyFull MemberPosted 4 years ago
Ideology is for dictators.
Bollocks. Although, with a ‘flexible’ attitude to morality like that, you’d have been okay in 1930s Germany I suppose. Might have even got a nice shiny Hugo Boss uniform out of it, too…
ferralsFree MemberPosted 4 years agoif so, it’s not really a clear mandate for anything particularly useful is it?
See previous post re. tory proportion of vote (hint, its 45%)
I’m not convinced independance would win a second ref., but I think its fair enoguh for them to try. I fear for Wales’s status in the union if they do become independant, as we’d jsut be an even more minor concern at westmister
Sinn Fean (sp.?) also want a referendum for NI given the NI MP composition.
CougarFull MemberPosted 4 years agoAnyone interested to hear what the most prominent demographics were in the Lab > Con shifts?
https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-the-map-of-british-politics-has-been-redrawn-11885274
I know, I was shocked too.
raybanwombleFree MemberPosted 4 years agoNahh, the Nazis were principled in their own heads.
Truly ideologically unprincipled people understand that no ideology is worth the harm ideologues can cause.
Labour need more flexible mercenary like characters again to be able to take the fight to the conservatives.
TiRedFull MemberPosted 4 years agoPosted that earlier cougar. Very strong correlations noted in labour swing with education and work. The public got what the votes for. The working classes wanted Brexit and that’s what they voted for. Labour were not offering it.
grahamt1980Full MemberPosted 4 years agoTbf labour need someone who is seen to actually be effective as an opposition leader, rather than a bumbling old fart who isn’t aware enough to call out issues in Parliament or in interviews.
he just came across as someone who really didn’t want to win or be pm.nick1962Free MemberPosted 4 years agoBoris was described today as ideology lite,not good on detail more of a broad brush approach to issues and relatively liberal.An ERG type zealot as leader would be far worse.
raybanwombleFree MemberPosted 4 years agoYup, Boris is a bloody walk in the park compared to what would happen if we had a principled headbanger like Mark Francois or Rees-Mogg.
bikebouyFree MemberPosted 4 years ago@bikebuoy – crap flounce dude
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@cougar..Yeah, well I’m not in a good place ATM. So thanks for commenting.
I understand all too well the intricacies of this current political situation. I am up to speed with all the daily issues we’ve read/witnessed.
It wasn’t a flounce per-se’ more a case of nothing more to add, that hasn’t already been said.
Cheers.
Its Friday o’clock…
CougarFull MemberPosted 4 years agoPosted that earlier cougar. Very strong correlations noted in labour swing with education and work.
Very strong correlations noted in Tory swing with lack of education and age.
5thElefantFree MemberPosted 4 years agoVery strong correlations noted in Tory swing with lack of education and age.
They just won a load of working class constituencies.
v8ninetyFull MemberPosted 4 years agoIt’s a dearth in the ability/desire to critically analyse what is read on Facebook/Twitter/gutter press/memes shared on WhatsApp that makes people so vulnerable to this modern style of propaganda.
Correlation is entirely predictable I think. Sad.
bruneepFull MemberPosted 4 years ago@Del wrote:
I distinctly remember sturgeon saying that this election wasn’t about Scottish independence before it happened. Funny how quickly things change.
It wasn’t! It was about being dragged out of EU against what Scotland voted for, now that looks more than likely that we will be dragged out of EU after yesterdays results.
Why shouldn’t we now focus on independence so Scotland can seek joining the EU as a separate nation?
cromolyollyFree MemberPosted 4 years agoThe SNP has the advantage of being Scottish in an English dominated world.
Exactly. Think Catalans, Quebec, Georgia etc. Northern Ireland is going that way if these results are a guide.
They don’t even need a slogan, for the most part it’s a simple Crosby, type message right in the name.
If it ever happened they’d end up were the UK is now. Once you’ve lost your USP, you’ve got to have an actual plan.
ADFull MemberPosted 4 years agoThis is a thoroughly depressing read – my hometown.
We just got rid of an excellent local MP (Sue Hayman) and voted in ex-UKIPer.
Well at least the ‘spoons at 8am’ denizens are happy.
cromolyollyFree MemberPosted 4 years agoThey just won a load of working class constituencies.
That voted leave. The graphic which showed that Lab. lost votes to Con and brexit in strong leave areas and to SNP and Lib Dem in strong remain ones.
That and Cummings literally telling everyone it was about brexit today.
The structural problems in the labour party are absolutely a problem but they weren’t the problem this time around. Even the opponents spad is saying that.
CharlieMungusFree MemberPosted 4 years agoIt is about winning. If you don’t win it’s because what you have to offer isn’t what people want. In a democracy a politicians job is to do what the people want.
No, in a democracy people choose the politicians whose ideas align with their own. A politicians job is to deliver on their promises if they get chosen
BruceWeeFull MemberPosted 4 years agoSturgeon didn’t push IndyRef2, that’s true. She made it all about stopping Brexit. 75% of people in Scotland voted for parties pledging to stop Brexit or offer a 2nd referendum with a remain option. The SNP couldn’t have a stronger mandate to do everything in their power to stop Scotland leaving the EU.
The party who wouldn’t shut up about IndyRef2 was the Tories. Voters deserted them.
After 2017 the Tories were quick to jump on the SNP’s loss of seats as a sign that independence was dead. By bringing Indyref2 front and centre they’ve managed to gift the SNP a mandate to pursue independence as one of the options for keeping Scotland in the EU.
kelvinFull MemberPosted 4 years agoThe SNP isn’t just about independence. Whenever I do one of those online questionnaires that match your own policies to that of the parties, they always suggest that the SNP are the closest match, yet I’m in England, and don’t want Scotland to break away. I think those over simplifying and claiming the SNP only get support in Scotland because they have Scottish in the name should do more research.
v8ninetyFull MemberPosted 4 years agoA politicians job is to deliver on their promises if they get chosen
Exactly. I’d add that it’s their job to try to convince/educate the electorate as to why their ideology is attractive too. It’s NOT a principled politician’s job to flap around in the breeze of public opinion trying to please everyone; that’s populism, and leads to dark places.
zipFree MemberPosted 4 years agoGreat result for the country, affirming the sentiment of the majority. The fact that Labour held seats in predominantly University constituencies resonates their target voters – unqualified, inexperienced, easily influenced, idealistic day dreamers. I was one once. Thankfully the country has elected the best of a bad bunch of dross, given the limited options. Would the markets would have reacted the same way if Corbyn had slipped through the net? I think not. After all, most remainers’ main argument seems to be the economy, is it not?
forzafkawiFree MemberPosted 4 years agoCougar
Posted that earlier cougar. Very strong correlations noted in labour swing with education and work.
Very strong correlations noted in Tory swing with lack of education and age.
Oh I understand what you guys are saying now. Basically it was the thickies and feeble-minded who don’t understand what they are doing that made the difference for the Tories. But wait, weren’t these the same morons who put Labour into power in the past? Splitters…
raybanwombleFree MemberPosted 4 years agoNo, in a democracy people choose the politicians whose ideas align with their own.
Replace happy with principled/ideological.
CougarFull MemberPosted 4 years agoYou quoted a bit of my post and answered…
Oh, did I? Sorry, my bad then, I don’t pay much attention to usernames.
kelvinFull MemberPosted 4 years agoNHS A&E stats released today… and they’re even worse than the last lot, which were already the worst since records began… great timing.
5thElefantFree MemberPosted 4 years agoIt’s just an age thing. Snowflakes have degrees and snowflakes want free stuff from the old beardy man in red this time of year.
raybanwombleFree MemberPosted 4 years agoOh and if people do vote for ideologies, policies and principles – that kind of supports what we’re saying. Obviously they rejected Corbyns in this scenario.
v8ninetyFull MemberPosted 4 years agoBasically it was the thickies and feeble-minded who don’t understand what they are doing
Don’t forget the terminally selfish and nasty, and sadly decent people who’ve been misled in their droves. Which category do you put yourself in? Seriously, as you only feel able to join the political discourse from the safety of having won, how DO you justify voting for the dishonest, self serving, nasty bunch of **** that you did? Have you got a friend who’s a nurse in Leeds hospital by any chance?
5thElefantFree MemberPosted 4 years agoDon’t forget the terminally selfish and nasty, and sadly decent people who’ve been misled in their droves. Which category do you put yourself in? Seriously, as you only feel able to join the political discourse from the safety of having won, how DO you justify voting for the dishonest, self serving, nasty bunch of **** that you did? Have you got a friend who’s a nurse in Leeds hospital by any chance?
Oh no, a non-believer in the echo chamber!
v8ninetyFull MemberPosted 4 years agoOh and if people do vote for ideologies, policies and principles
They* don’t. They vote for personalities and sound bites. Doesn’t mean politicians should abandon principles. Just means they need more convincing personalities and better sound bites to sell them with, I guess.
Oh no, a non-believer in the echo chamber!
Absolutely! Pity he didn’t pipe up before really; it wouldn’t have been such an echo chamber then, would it?
*massive generalisation obvs; people vote for lots of reasons
sobrietyFree MemberPosted 4 years agoI’m reminded of the old adage that “the only thing worse than a bad loser, is a bad winner”
somafunkFull MemberPosted 4 years agoSo when do get to read the investigation into russian political interference?, or will this be canned by boris under his new mandate to do whatever he **** wants?
13thfloormonkFull MemberPosted 4 years agoYeah, there do seem to be a few new names floating around, quiet Tories? Why so quiet before the fact?
5thElefantFree MemberPosted 4 years agoArguing with lefties is not as much fun as you might think.
TomZestyFree MemberPosted 4 years agoAs an English Conservative voter, I believe the Scots should be given their second referendum. I can’t understand why we would or should deny it. Its a win win. The Scottish electorate get their say. If they vote to remain in the UK, they prove pretty decisively they want to stay as there would be two confirming votes in a decade, and Sturgeon would have to leave it alone. If they vote to leave, good on them and good luck, it’s their decision. I personally think it would ruin them, but it’s not my say and if its what they want, go for it. It won’t hurt England at all if they do leave (certainly not in the long run), if anything we’ll probably be slightly better off thanks to the Barnet formula.
RiksbarFull MemberPosted 4 years agoWhat are the odds on the report on foreign interference in U.K. vote and democracy seeing the light of day now?
jekkylFull MemberPosted 4 years agoThis hasn’t been an election in the conventional sense, it’s been a meme war!
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