…and there’s a clear reason why the LibDems could win this time:

You’re too funny.

Believe it or not quite a few people are interested in policies other than Brexit.

Lib Dems have as much chance of winning the GE as the Brexit Party. Two single issue parties at either end of the spectrum.

Other than ‘revoke’ what policies do the Neo-Lib Dems have that weren’t copy and pasted from old Tory manifestos?

…and there’s a clear reason why the LibDems could win this time:

Leave vote is split.
Revoke vote is not split.

The problem is, the voting system we have is a load of shit and people keep voting tactically rather than voting how they actually want. Until this changes we are stuck with 2 party politics with the libdems every now and then doing ‘ok’….

…and there’s a clear reason why the LibDems could win this time:

Leave vote is split.
Revoke vote is not split.

Revoke is not split, however, remain is split, as Labour are offering a referendum which could lead to remain.

I voted remain, I believe we should remain, however revocation is not the path to that in my opinion, as it will hand over the narrative to the hard leavers that the system is corrupt.

In reverse, how happy would people be if the vote had been for Remain, but then Brexit party campaigned to ignore that and just invoke Article 50?

@sootyandjim https://www.libdems.org.uk/manifesto

Turns out that Johnson isnt the one in charge at number 10

Funny thing really, as just last week the PM asked me to stand in the General Election.

Afraid the Chief Whip has been briefed by the wrong “No 10 Sources” this morning but nonetheless I respect the decision he had been asked to make. https://t.co/Zo0ac7PERO

— Amber Rudd (@AmberRuddUK) October 30, 2019

I just hope Jeremy Corbyn actually has the grace stands down after his forthcoming defeat in December so we can get an effective opposition for once. I fear it’s going to be a hard right Con/Brexit party coalition for the next 5 years.

Corbyns going nowhere.

I think the labour narrative will be the same as last time:

‘yes, he’s shit and we lost, but he’s not as shit as you said he was going to be, and he didn’t lose as badly as you said he would’

I believe the technical term is ‘managing expectations’. It only works with the terminally gullible and those with unimaginably low expectations, but that seems to be what constitutes the membership of the Labour party nowadays.

Defeat is victory. Another 5 years of Boris will be sold as ‘an opportunity to transform the party under Jeremy’

Corbyns going nowhere.

I thought Corbyn and McDonnell were both going to stand down if they lost? We will have to see if they are as bigger liars as Johnson.

Not a hope in hell. If the current situation hasn’t persuaded them to reconsider, a teenager certainly won’t be able to.

The current situation is conflict and accusations flying everywhere, that persuades no one it just entrenches positions.

I’m not talking about being harangued by anyone but about the people with the most to lose speaking to those with the in reality nothing to gain.

I thought Corbyn and McDonnell were both going to stand down if they lost

McDonnell has said he will. Jezza’s said nowt. Seamas probably hasn’t given him permission

@Kelvin – Interesting piece of daydreaming the Neo-Liberal Democract manifesto.

I guess even they don’t believe they will ever get the chance to implement it (unless they jump into bed with their mates the Tories again and sell their souls for tit bits), hence their overwhelming reliance on a single issue to keep them in the news rather then pushing the rest of it.

As I said, they’re a single issue party, and they’re as much extremists as the Brexit Party on that one issue.

Brexit Party, Conservatives, Lib Dems – Three different shades of Tory.

Not surprising really is it @Taxi25… FPTP means you are voting for one MP, and most people understand that when they vote. Choosing your second or third preference candidate because they have the support locally to possibly win, when your first choice candidate clearly does not, is very common.

We’re now being told to “vote tactically” and work with others, yet it is the Lib Dems who, through their campaigns of negativity towards other opposition parties

…as opposed to the open-armed, welcoming inclusivity of the present labour party?

They’re both as bad as each other. Given that the chances are pretty remote of an overall majority for anyone, pre-emptive slagging off of who will be potential allies is puerile and self-defeating and is exactly what everyone sane is sick of in UK politics.

Coalitions are standard on the continent, and I suspect we’ll have to get used to them here too. So people neeed to start being less knee-jerk tribal

Some chance. Pragmatism seeems to have left the building quite some time ago, but the pre-emptive slagging off by all parties is utterly depressing

We’re now being told to “vote tactically” and work with others, yet it is the Lib Dems who, through their campaigns of negativity towards other opposition parties and history of supporting the Tories, who have emboldened Boris Johnson and his ilk.

You are funny. You haven’t seen any “campaigns of negativity towards other opposition parties” by any of the other opposition parties? Not even the ever so slightly tribal Labour Party?

Why, exactly, would Corbyn say “If I lose I’ll resign”? Exactly how many votes do you think that’d win, and exactly how much time would you like him to spend in this election campaign talking about defeat?

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Of course folk are already voting tactically. Time and again we see, hear and read of folk saying “I’d vote LibDem/Green/AN Other if only they had a chance of winning”. It’s been going on as long as I’ve been aware of politics (at least 50 years) and probably precedes that.

I think in Scotland we’re more used to it, having had a 3 party westminster system in the past and then a one party system and now a two but a weird different two in which Labour voters will vote Tory to beat the SNP… 2005 was the first election in my life that I didn’t feel I had to vote tactically for Labour to try and get the Tories out of my seat.

And we also witnessed the tipping point thing so clearly recently, when a party that “there’s no point voting for” suddenly shrugs that off, increases its votes by 300% and becomes the party with essentially all the seats, and 6 becomes 56, because FPTP is ridiculous.

Andrew Neil program tonight was good. I’d like all parties leaders to face him in a prolonged exchange.

Can’t see any of them coming out great, but at least it would put them to the test.

And we also witnessed the tipping point thing so clearly recently, when a party that “there’s no point voting for” suddenly shrugs that off, increases its votes by 300% and becomes the party with essentially all the seats, and 6 becomes 56, because FPTP is ridiculous.

That’s my point. The tipping point never comes if enough folk don’t look more than a couple of years down the line.

You mean like Italy which elects a new govt every year? Or perhaps Belgium which went 541 days without a functioning government whilst they ‘negotiated’? it goes without saying that we need a fairer system than FPTP, but if you think we can suddenly adopt the German model then you have more faith in our politicians then I have. We’re about as far from that as it’s possible to be.

Is there something particularly dense about the English electorate that they can’t look a few miles north and see how coalition and minority government works in practice?