I’d vote LD, but going on 2017 it would would be a wasted vote…
21773 Con
21742 Lab
1421 Lib

Yeah this is the perfect example of where tactical voting is key.

Even if you’re a hardcore LD voter, can you really see them getting an extra 21000 votes in just 2 years?

If all the LD voters bit the bullet this time round it would likely be a Labour win.

The alternative is a Tory win. That’s the choice .

I might be wrong but the Remain, revoke camp looks a lot more organized and ready for a fight this time round.

https://policy.greenparty.org.uk/eu.html

outofbreath, not sure why you need to link to that. I am well aware of policies being a Green party member and all!. I also agree with the points you have picked out and I also agree with more policies in Green party manifesto than any other party. They unfortunately only get around 1,000 votes from the 50,000 where I live but if that can go up all the better.

I might be wrong but the Remain, revoke camp looks a lot more organized and ready for a fight this time round.

Sad to say that you couldn’t be more wrong.

Open warfare: the week the People’s Vote campaign imploded

Its presently a complete and utter shambles and is totally consumed with vicious, factional infighting.

Yet another example of the hopeless, completely detatched, self-serving attitude of our ‘political class’

On a general housekeeping issue, when are the PPCs for each constituency announced?

Deadline to register is the 14th November so anytime up till then.

I might be wrong but the Remain, revoke camp looks a lot more organized and ready for a fight this time round.

Agree. There’s finally a clear remain/revoke rallying point for everyone to rally round.

Open warfare: the week the People’s Vote campaign imploded

The people’s vote campaign has fallen apart *because* it’s obsolete now there’s an organised & credible remain option + an election. As a remainer there’s no point in supporting or voting for a coin flip any more. The peoples vote campaign falling apart proves chris2lou’s point, it doesn’t debunk it.

Agree. There’s finally a clear remain/revoke rallying point for everyone to rally round.

we are all in bubbles

remain voters organising themselves on social media (PV campaign less relevant)

dont assume leave voters arent as well, but cummings targetting them as well

As kimbers says, it’s all very well remainers organising to vote tactically and collectively fist-bumping over it, but Leave groups are doing the same thing; and with, I suspect, a lot less ethics involved.

I meant, remain are better prepared and organized.
They know what they are up against.
Hancock was taken to bits this morning on national TV.

Imagine Liberal Democrat wins the next GE to form the next govt. I don’t mind for a good laugh but that will learn you 😆
Also if Labour or Lib Dem is in power will Scotland have any more excuse to gain independence? 😄
Isn’t Alex Salmond facing some sort of court case soon? Why is he going to court? (can’t be arsed to google the reasons) Anyway, not good publicity for SNP innit? 😀

I might be wrong but the Remain, revoke camp looks a lot more organized and ready for a fight this time round.

They are definitely more organised coz they have plenty to lose so will fight to the end. 😄

Collectively fist bumping seems perfectly reasonable when the Leave vote is split between two parties and only one party is offering revoke.

Fist-bumping whatever … I just hope most of the politicians in the main parties get the sack.

Weak govt and weak opposition.

How much fist bumping would Boris be doing if the BP quit and left him as the only place for leavers?

Who is BP? Brexit Party?

No chance Brexit Party will quit in the North coz there will be a few surprises coming that way.

I know many working Labour voters here and they told they would vote for Labour on domestic issues but the current political climate they just want out. Non of them want to vote Labour at all let alone Lib Dem.

I see only one hope for an outcome that might at least give a chance of another referendum and it involves to some extent people who won’t be able to vote. I really think that the remain / second referendum camp needs to to be talking to the 16 – 25 year olds in the country to talk to their parents and even more importantly their grandparents and ask that in this election they put the long term interests of their future first. Just because 16 and 17 year olds don’t have a vote doesn’t mean they can’t have an influence. We need a Gretta Thunberg to tell us older people that this really isn’t just about what we want for the next few years.

We need a Gretta Thunberg to tell us older people that this really isn’t just about what we want for the next few years.

I have spoken to a lot of older people and they think they are acting on behalf on younger people and they will be better out of the EU so not sure how that would work out.

This country is a **** shambles, the biggest change to the country for ever should not be decided by a **** post code lottery voting system. Thats not democracy!

My vote will basically be wasted once again….

What seems very worrying at the moment is the amount of MP’s who are standing down. If you look at the names, they seem the half-decent ones

It seems like more and more moderates are being driven out of both main parties, or just giving up

If we think the MP’s we’re got at the moment are bad, no matter who ‘wins’ the next election, the standard of our elected repesentatives looks like being considerably worse after December.

Both front benches are already stuffed with incompetent, idealogical nodding-dogs who are there purely for their capacity to unquestioningly worship at the cult of both ‘leaderships’.

Is that a date set in the bill or dependent on something else.

I think, but aint 100% certain, its part either of normal election law or just standard practice. Day of election – x days to allow for all the associated admin to be completed especially postal ballots.

If you go for a 2nd referendum before the 1st one is being implemented you might start a proper “civil war” … I dare the politicians start a 2nd referendum before the 1st one is being implemented.

Actually of course I should have said 3rd referendum, as the last one was overturning the referendum of 1975. I’m not sure how you can oppose further referendums in principal if you think the second one in 2016 was legitimate.

<span style=”font-size: 12.8px;”>And the kind of people who voted for Brexit and the Tories won’t be listening to 16 year olds</span>

My hope is that it might be different if those 16 year olds are their grandchildren. I’m not talking about massed 16 year olds on the streets in a general plea to the population of voters but individually sitting down with the people they know asking them to think carefully about how they vote.

you might start a proper “civil war”

1) Don’t worry, we’ll fight to keep you out of the internment camps the English Nationalist side in that imaginary war will be setting up for you.

2) This is just the same stuff that “the other thread” is full of. Take it over there.

I’m not sure how you can oppose further referendums in principal if you think the second one in 2016 was legitimate.

Indeed. It’s an argument that Leavers will employ with equal validity the day after a second ref. (If they lose which is only a 50/50 shout.)

Ergo referendums are not the solution.

I remember a lot of people saying that about Trump in the US and BoJo here.

This.

…and there’s a clear reason why the LibDems could win this time:

Leave vote is split.
Revoke vote is not split.