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  • 2019 General Election
  • Premier Icon kelvin
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    but essentially called all Tory voters “ignorant and ill informed” by way of comparing them to partridge

    He said that Partridge had those attributes, and would vote Tory. Extrapolate that out to ‘all Tory voters’ having those attributes if you want, snowflake.

    Premier Icon Gowrie
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    I will tell you how it will work though. The companies will grant 1% of shares to the fund until 10% is built up.

    The company. So the company will have to own the shares. So they will have to buy them, create them. Or steal them. Which would be a crime. Either way, the government is not going to steak your shares. Stop the bs

    Thank you for your explanation. You do realise that it supports OOB,s point don’t you? After 10 years, 10% of the company – that would have been owned by the current owners of the company – will be in the possession of someone else, and without any payment – certainly no promise of payment that can be found in Labour’s pronouncements. Looks like theft – or at the least a stealth tax – to me.

    Premier Icon slowoldman
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    A government has to spend or the economy will never recover.

    Even without spending they’ve managed to increase national debt to the point where the interest payment is 3 times the EU membership fee.

    Premier Icon rone
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    That’s because they’re not spending on the correct things.

    Premier Icon MrSparkle
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    Nothing to see here…

    Premier Icon outofbreath
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    You do realise that it supports OOB,s point don’t you? After 10 years, 10% of the company – that would have been owned by the current owners of the company – will be in the possession of someone else, and without any payment – certainly no promise of payment that can be found in Labour’s pronouncements. Looks like theft to me.

    Yup and that’s how it’s been reported everywhere and how John McDonnell himself explained it. Here’s the manifesto text:

    We will give workers a stake in the
    companies they work for – and a share
    of the profits they help create – by
    requiring large companies to set up
    Inclusive Ownership Funds (IOFs). Up
    to 10% of a company will be owned
    collectively by employees, with
    dividend payments distributed equally
    among all, capped at £500 a year,
    and the rest being used to top up the
    Climate Apprenticeship Fund.

    https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Real-Change-Labour-Manifesto-2019.pdf

    …and here’s the grey book which doesn’t include paying for the shares:

    https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Funding-Real-Change-2019.pdf

    Premier Icon yourguitarhero
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    We’re all on the wrong side of history on here. Tough to accept.

    Premier Icon rone
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    Ooof.

    That’s going to put the cat among the pigeons.

    Premier Icon outofbreath
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    Too tight to call.

    I might start a thread for the Spring 2020 election. 🙂

    Premier Icon rone
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    Direction of travel is very keen.

    Premier Icon richardkennerley
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    kelvin

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    but essentially called all Tory voters “ignorant and ill informed” by way of comparing them to partridge

    He said that Partridge had those attributes, and would vote Tory. Extrapolate that out to ‘all Tory voters’ having those attributes if you want, snowflake.

    Why are you calling me a snowflake?

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    Premier Icon rone
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    I might start a thread for the Spring 2020 election. 🙂

    Crack on.

    Premier Icon rone
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    I’ve really enjoyed Dr Moderate’s analysis. Probably because it makes me feel hopeful.

    Here’s his final prediction.

    Con 310
    Labour 255

    Minority Lab Gov.

    Premier Icon piemonster
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    Direction of travel is very keen.

    I’d noticed quite a few folk I know, lifelong Tory voters, are swithering about who to vote for or who have changed their mind. Mainly as they now interpret the current Conservatives to be a nasty bunch of shits (compared to normal). These are all 40+, most actually 60+.

    I’d love that to be widespread but I don’t think it is.

    I’m going with a weak Tory majority.

    Premier Icon ctk
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    These last couple of days have been terrible for Bojo. For people that are not that engaged with politics yesterdays photo on the phone thing and todays hiding in the fridge thing will cut through.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    Why are you calling me a snowflake?

    I dunno, sorry, it just rolled out with the rest of that sentence. Sorry.

    Premier Icon frankconway
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    rone – another interesting set of tweets from dr moderate.
    IF correct…..johnson loses tory leadership; corbyn struggles to form effective coalition and loses labour leadership; difficult to extract better/different agreement from EU27; 2nd referendum is mirror image of 1st one so nothing resolved; disunity continues; farage continues to stir – if he finds a wealthy backer to replace tice.
    To sum up, we’ll be no further forward – other than johnson and corbyn walking/being removed.
    If anyone sees Cameron…..

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    Yeah that comres one looks funny as fk

    But that could still be a wee Tory majority

    If fridgeboy really has blow it will they dump him immediately?

    Gove next Tory leader?

    Premier Icon rone
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    Might have to bring the Brandy forward tomorrow night.

    Premier Icon rone
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    If fridgeboy really has blow it will they dump him immediately?

    Gove next Tory leader

    You lot are very good at jumping in to the future. Proof that politics is never done.

    I can only just about cope with tomorrow.

    Premier Icon colournoise
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    Genuine? If so, WTactualF?!?

    All pretence has now gone. BBC reporter saying Johnson deserves a majority

    Premier Icon slowoldman
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    Has someone broken Twitter? Boris? The Russians?

    Premier Icon dantsw13
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    Who is that Dr Moderate? If he’s getting my hopes up………..

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    I wouldn’t get that excited

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    So assuming we get a Tory government

    Cornyn gone by Feb & Rebecca long-bailey, Jess phillips, David Miliband?

    Premier Icon mattyfez
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    @colornoise the BBC is funded by the government so they have squeaky bums at the moment, they have to strike a balance with the sword of damocles hanging over them.
    They are still doing mock the week and HIGNfY to be fair though..

    Just a shame thier actual news programme is so pro tory.

    Premier Icon mattyfez
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    I’m still thinking we’ll have a hung parliament.

    The tories will have to gain quite a few seats without losing any.
    In the churn there might be a few constituencies flipped both ways, so I’m guessing that’s even Stephens in that respect.

    The tories will almost certainly lose ground in Scotland.

    Premier Icon jjprestidge
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    There’s odds of 10:1 available at the moment on a Labour minority government. Several of my political friends are taking a punt on that.

    Personally, I think the polls are way out of kilter and we’ll see another hung parliament.

    JP

    Premier Icon frankconway
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    JP, best (longest) odds on lab minority are 5/1; lab coalition options range from 12 to 16/1.
    10s for lab minority not available anywhere; point me towards them and I’ll have a punt.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    Survation out by midnight, they called it closest last time

    But I’m off to bed

    Premier Icon epicyclo
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    Jjprestridge

    Personally, I think the polls are way out of kilter and we’ll see another hung parliament.

    Do we have enough lamp posts?

    Premier Icon dazh
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    Not making a prediction, but I’m pretty sure it won’t be as the polls predict. I’m keeping faith in two things, one that people are not as stupid as the pollsters or media pundits assume they are and will vote tactically against the tories, and that when it comes down to it people will vote with their pockets, which for most will be labour/non-tory.

    I won’t be surprised if I’m wrong, and if so then fair enough. We get the government we vote for, and if things need to get worse before they get better that’s a choice only the people can make. It’s depressing, frustrating, and completely irrational, but maybe it’s necessary?

    Premier Icon spekkie
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    I won’t be surprised if I’m wrong, and if so then fair enough. We get the government we vote for, and if things need to get worse before they get better that’s a choice only the people can make. It’s depressing, frustrating, and completely irrational, but maybe it’s necessary?

    You can lead a horse to water, but if the horse refuses to drink then maybe it just has to be thirsty.

    Premier Icon yourguitarhero
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    You have to consider that you’re wrong. That most people in this country have an entirely different set of values to you. That you’re a minority and in the maths of this country that means you’re a loser and you count for the square root of f-all. You’re not a unique snowflake, you’re just meat for the grinder, with no representation. The abbatoir gates loom despite your squealing.

    A tough thing to accept.

    Premier Icon scotroutes
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    Premier Icon convert
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    As I do every time we have one of these shindigs; I sit here as the clock turns midnight, registered to vote in what is the 36th safest tory seat in the country. I am politically relatively astute and informed. I have done my homework and have a keen idea not only of the national policies of the main parties but the local candidates too. I am ready to do my bit and cast an informed vote……

    But really, what’s the point? I’ll toddle off and do it because it’s the right thing to do. But……the local tory here could walk through the town centre nuts deep in a farm animal of his choice before spending a week knocking on every door he finds and telling the householder to get to **** and he would still get in by a landslide. Even if I wanted to vote tory I could stay in bed and the result would be the same – he only needs to win by one vote. My local representative in parliament will be recommending Boris for PM tomorrow evening – that is an absolute certainty. My vote will be amalgamated with the 70 thousand odd folk that just happen to live near me and will be turned blue. 100% certainty.

    Some uninformed eejit who walks into a polling booth in a marginal seat and puts their cross down dependant on liking the logo of the party has infinitely (and I mean that literally not metaphorically) more influence than me in the result tomorrow night.

    Remind me again why we do it like this?

    It would interesting to know how many of those that have contributed to this thread have the ability to cast a vote in a constituency where they might just be part of making an impact.

    Premier Icon scotroutes
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    Remind me again why we do it like this?

    You vote for another party because, if you don’t nothing will ever change. It’s the usual story – if everyone who didn’t vote did, things could be very different.

    Premier Icon frankconway
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    The Survation poll amounts to having one’s chips pissed upon.
    Having said that….refer to Dr Moderate @centrist_phone for a more nuanced interpretation of crude poll results.
    I still live in hope.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    Remind me again why we do it like this?

    Because to change it would require one of the two parties that benefits from the Status Quo to act against their own interests in order to improve our democracy.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    Are ready for whatever it is Johnson will deliver that he won’t tell us about, and won’t answer questions about…?

    https://twitter.com/davies_will/status/1204734456852107264?s=21

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