we’ve not had a functional government for about 3 years now.

Which is why a gen election is essential. …and it’s worse than that, Cameron had a tiny majority, not enough to sensibly govern. He couldn’t do anything remotely controversial. When Major had a similar majority the media talked about it as though it was a disaster and it was. So we live in an era where more popular small parties mean low chances of anyone winning an outright majority.

The general election will be voted on a for or against brexit basis.

Good, it’s the biggest issue, and it needs a decision and someone responsible for carrying that decision out.

And we’ll still probably have a hung parliament so back to square one.

That’s the risk, but if parliament can’t come to a conclusion all you can do is hold elections until someone wins. Certainly a government with a -43 majority needs to be immediately kicked out.

“Confirm”… what does that mean in this context?

it has the stated goal of returning a parliment to deliver brexit

Who or what has that stated goal? The parliament returned is quite likely to either fail to deliver Brexit, or choose not to even bother trying and/or to ask us in a referendum if it’s what we really want the next 10 years to be all about.

Good job there are other options.

Another prolonged length of uncertainty. A general election .. then possibly another referendum about leaving/staying in the EU.

And if Leave get another slim win .. we get another three years of the same.
And if Remain win .. its the Leavers turn to cry about the result.

Democracy in the country has been shown to be a farce. And as such I fully expect extreme views and political opinion to flourish as a result.
Its gonna be a rough ride for the foreseeable future from now on.

First tactical voting site I’ve seen for this election

Tactical voting 2019

Gina Millers European one from earlier in the year was a bit nicer, but at least it’s something to start sharing with people.

Just checked the odds at the bookies.

Overall majority:

Conservatives 1.8/1
No overall majority 2/1
Labour 17/1
Lib Dems 67/1

Most seats:

Conservatives 1.1/1
Labour 6/1
Lib Dems 21/1

Democracy in the country has been shown to be a farce.

i’d say the opposite. I think that recently our democracy looks in pretty good shape in the way parliament has held an arrogant and anti-democratic executive to account and stopped it just doing what the hell it likes.

The problem is the electorate were given a binary yes/no choice to an incredibley complex issue and lied to that it was easy. When the result was virtualy 50/50 that incredibley complex issue became even less deliverable.

What we’re in the middle of is a perfect political storm. Anyone offering easy answers is a liar. Anyone believing there are easy answers is an idiot

Democracy in the country has been shown to be a farce.

Not really. Democracy is working well, it is just the results that are causing problems combined with the fact the being in or out of the EU is now seen as much more important to people than it actually is or was ever before. When a 50/50 split occurs democracy becomes harder to deal with as the losers are pretty much the same number of people as the winners. When the winners have 80% is all seems a bit fairer and easier to swallow.

And if Leave get another slim win .. we get another three years of the same.

It’ll be 10 years because the future relationship is far more complex than the WA & you can bet the brexiteers will be just as clueless about that but as they have in the first round of negotiations

Brexit has poisoned the country for a decade +

Certainly a government with a -43 majority needs to be immediately kicked out.

This has always been my view. A Govt without a positive majority should step down… no need for a GE in that instance, just equally split the responsibility across all parties until the full term is up.

Rightly nothing major will happen, or get through Parliament on an extreme or one sided proposition but it will bring stability and make all parties work together for the people they represent. (which MPs seem to forget what they’re there for and who they represent)

I’ve no prediction as to the outcome, all I will say is a vast majority of the UK public are sick to the back teeth with a bunch of self serving arseholes who happily sit behind a gonk. And the Conservative party have shown day in day out that they are the pinnacle of the self serving boorish retarded viewpoint.

What ever the outcome, we deserve better quality representatives and policies that support a cohesive inclusive government that looks forward and plans for its public.

I for one sincerely hope the Youth of this country come out in droves to vote this time, I think they’re the ones who will make the difference this time around… if they can be bothered (as traditionally the youth vote turn out is proportionally far less) and they’ve seen just how divisive and exclusive the current conservatives are… i just hope that all they’ve seen over the last 3.5years has made them realise that’s its them that hold the future, and a future that doesn’t split the country in half and break families up and cut ties and working collaboratively with its nearest trading members.

And last point (yea worevz) now that Pound Sterling is almost about parity with the Euro, it’s about time we adopted it and went headlong all into the EU.

i’d say the opposite. I think that recently our democracy looks in pretty good shape in the way parliament has held an arrogant and anti-democratic executive to account and stopped it just doing what the hell it likes.

Agreed. Reconciling a difficult decision should take time and be robust.

On our democracy – its been shown to be totally not fit for purpose.

What I would like to see is the next government include a constitutional convention to look at parliamentary reform and devolution. We would never be in this mess if we had a proportionately elected parliament

Our parliament is hugely expensive, corrupt to the core, archaic in its practices and allows extreme governments on minorities of the vote

Trouble with the tactical vote page is that it’s based on the last election and there’s been a whole lot of water under the bridge since then as an arch remainer my tactical voting plan even includes the potential to vote for the brexit party ❎

I get your sentiment.

The biggest threat to the tories will be from TBP. Unless de Pfeffel goes for an ultra hard Brexit, farange and his cabal will mop up many tory seats, just look at the last European elections.

I fear Labour/SNP/Lib Dem’s have shot themselves in the foot with this election. Unless there is something going on behind the scenes between these 3 parties, then I’m thinking we are in big trouble.

And if Leave get another slim win .. we get another three years of the same.
And if Remain win .. its the Leavers turn to cry about the result.

We’ll just have to hope that the split is more decisive either way this time around. 60%+ for either side would be enough to shut up the opposite side, especially if it swings towards Remain!

These next few weeks are going to be a nightmare figuring out who gets my vote, normally I vote on mainly local issues but not this time. I’ll vote for whoever I need to to have a chance of this all being cancelled. The Remain camps need to band together and provide a solid voting option to stop Boris and bring some sense to the whole thing. Leave used dirty tactics and chose the right slogans to connect with certain people last time, Remain need to do that but even better this time.

Great in theory, no point in reality depending on your constituency. Constituency where I live;
Tory 33,000
All the other parties put together 16,000 with Labour highest at 9,000

Makes no difference which of the parties within the 16,000 I vote for, the Tory still has double all the others put together

Understandable, but this election is likely to be more volatile than previous ones. Whilst a non-Tory win might be unlikely in this election, in your case assume everyone voted Labour, including fresh Tory defectors who went to LD (I know unlikely), add in the Brexit Party vote siphoning off some Con votes, its not impossible to see a 20,000 / 25,000 split.

Next time round that would not be a totally safe seat, meaning Cons would have to invest more time and money fighting for it. Do this all around the country, especially in seats that are closer and it would have a big impact.

Understandable, but this election is likely to be more volatile than previous ones. Whilst a non-Tory win might be unlikely in this election, in your case assume everyone voted Labour, including fresh Tory defectors who went to LD (I know unlikely), add in the Brexit Party vote siphoning off some Con votes, its not impossible to see a 20,000 / 25,000 split.

Next time round that would not be a totally safe seat, meaning Cons would have to invest more time and money fighting for it. Do this all around the country, especially in seats that are closer and it would have a big impact.

This. Those 33,000 might all be staunch Remainers in which case they might go Lib Dem. They might be ultra hard core Brexiteers in which case they might go BNP to make the point. We don’t know.

This election is totally un-predictable. We can be sure Brexit trumps party loyalty, we just don’t know to what extent. No pundit knows how the seats are going to go and any tactical voting site relies on that.

Plus I suspect that people living in the constituency know more about where they live than the guy who wrote the tactical voting site. In my own constituency I’ve got a very shrewd idea where the local Tory/Labour people stand on Brexit plus there’s a critical ongoing local issue where the LDs have played a blinder. The tactical voting sites know none of that.

A Tory party strategist has just been on Radio 4 saying that the Tory’s think they’re going to win this election by targetting ‘Workington Man’ – a disillioned Leave-supporting, traditionally Labour voter.

Clearly he’s never actually been to Workington 😀

Also John McDonell got a pasting on R4 this morning over the brexit strategy

Meanwhile Cummings sitting on all the data on Labour leave voters that Kate Hoey got (stole with no repurcussions) for him on top of data they’ve been harvesting for the last 5 years

Vote for who you want, not to remove someone from power because of your personal dislike.

Please think again. Attempting to unseat Conservative MPs (even if you’ve voted Conservative in the past, before they became UKIP) is what this election is going to be all about.