On that note, the tories plan to repeal the fixed term parliment act – what replaces it or do we go back to the previous way?

There will be no need for future elections. Democracy stopped in 2016, remember?

The key here is context.

Indeed it is.

So under what context do you posit that a QT audience member – a show renowned for it’s totally unbiased selection of candidates in the audience, let’s not forget – is making a circle gesture below the waist with fingers pointing down in a manner which is intended to mean “OK”?

Hell, who even says OK like that any more? I don’t think I’ve seen it since I was at school.

I’d never even heard of it being a thing before until this thread but purely from the photo posted and, yes, context I think it’s fairly obvious what he meant by it. But yeah, maybe you’re right and he’s simply a Malcolm in the Middle fan or a misunderstood SCUBA diver on his day off.

Beware the Cyclops

I didn’t notice the “circle game” gesture during the show…

… but the whole family, including teenage offspring where dumbfounded by the audience make-up…

Our kids experience from school, work, college etc was that no way the audience represented the balance of views amongst their age group (audience included a lot of pro Brexit, Pro-Tory, right wing youth etc)

Given the context of a (suspected) unrepresentative audience, then a darker meaning to the gesture could well be correct

When the same person is reguarly sexist, thinks it’s OK to use the circle gesture and the JD expression it’s not nasty to point it out.

The member in question has been around for only 4 weeks, until there is any eveidence to the contrary I’ll take his stories with a pinch of salt, object to his sexism and argue against the use of JD and the circle symbol being “innocent” on 10/12/2019.

The key here is indeed context. The context of the QT interview was one of racists being racist. The context of this forum is one of an Internet in which alt-right trolls and bots are doing their utmost to influence an election result. If you think STW is immune, think again.

Lol. think you better go have a lie down pal.

The guy on QT could very well have been making a white power sign or trolling to that effect. He could also just as easily been making a circle sign below his waist as per the game so he can go home and give his flatmate a dead arm as he no doubt watched his appearance on tv. Best to reserve the hate and wishing him out of a uni course or job before the end of the week until proof is provided.

This mindset you have where your own assumtions can replace any evidence or due process is frankly disturbing. You then use this as justification to launch witch hunts and pile ons when in reality you know **** all. I think you are well past the point of no return though, so there is very little benefit to engaging with you any further.

I’m just checking, but you do know that in a democracy you actually need to appeal to enough of the population for them to vote for you?

The difficulty is selling yourself out and having policies you don’t even believe in but may win and would not be as bad as the tory policies. It is then getting the balance right in how far you have to go towards the tory policies to get the votes and then you just end up with another party similar to the tory party with a different name, brilliant.

Daz – I’m just checking, but you do know that in a democracy you actually need to appeal to enough of the population for them to vote for you?

Well of course he does, that was his excuse for supporting Corbyn’s stancefudge on brexit. apparantly if the racists were not appeased then labour could never win, funny that dazh has abandoned that logic on all other principles.

Whilst this is factually correct of course, would you suggest that those two possibilities are equally likely?

Yes, it’s almost certainly one or the other. All I’ve got to go off is a photo on social media, he looks young enough it could be a daft studenty game he is playing. I certainly wouldn’t be ready to burn him at the stake for it. If there was anything sinister about it, I’m sure the police will be investigating, I imagine there will be dozens of compaints made by now. Why are you so keen on social media (mob) justice?

Yes, it’s almost certainly one or the other. All I’ve got to go off is a photo on social media, he looks young enough it could be a daft studenty game he is playing.

Given there are a gazzilion students and almost no white supremacists I’d say the overwhelming likelihood is the gesture was totally innocent.

If it wasn’t innocent we’ll be finding out very soon because his image has gone viral.

EDIT: I’ve just seen the image. If I were someone who judged by appearances I’d say “He looks the sort.”. Fortunately I’m not so I’ll leave my comments above to stand. 🙂

spreading far right propaganda

They shared an image of a Poppy on FB! (…and you’ve just shared a link to the same post on STW!)

I’m not, I’m just not keen to jump to the opposite conclusion because it suits my agenda either.

Yet you never questioned the initial conclusion jump that he was a white supremacist? Never questioned the post hoping he will now be out of a job/uni?

What do you think my agenda is in raising the good possibility that he might not be doing what some people were quick to assume as fact?

What do you think my agenda is in raising the good possibility that he might not be doing what some people were quick to assume as fact?

I supplied the link explaining the many possible nuances… you just called anyone pointing out the 2019 political in context version a moron.

The bloke in question applauds Humza Yussef and doens’t clap when pro brexit points are made.

Interesting. Thanks Rich.

Labour’s problem (well, part of it) is they didn’t call out the lies of the 2016 campaign, for fear of labelling voters as stupid for not seeing through the lies. They now have no way of countering Johnson’s team as they double down on the lies in 2019.

This campaign is the 2016 one repeated… big spend on targeted lies on social media… promise money for the NHS that won’t materialise… tell people Brexit will be quick and simple… throw in some lines about filthy foreigners being allowed to “treat this country like it is their home”… keep things simple and vague so as to appeal to voters’ contradictory desires… “it’ll all be different and better than the status quo (which we created)”.

The bloke in question applauds Humza Yussef

Humza Yussef is a Nationalist.

Case proven.

He may not be the best opposition leader but he’s much funnier than Binners

Surely we can set the bar a little higher than that.

Perfect circle game placement, at the waist so to not break the in line of sight rule nor the above the shoulders rule. Out of the genital area so that the other guy trying to get the +5 doesn’t accidentally damage you . Casually resting on his body so that its not too obvious and people around cant get you for a +5 from behind. I’m a 90s kid, is there nobody else that played that game?

The white power sign is meant to be the other way round. The three fingers make a W, and the circle and your wrist a P.

Even if it was the white power sign, you could have all ignored it and not fed the trolling.

Humza Yussef is a Nationalist.

Case proven.

A Scottish Nationalist.

He’s a Pale-Blue Supremacist

He’s a Pale-Blue Supremacist

Putting burning porridge crosses on people’s lawns.